Valerie Bertinelli and the Bikini Body Disorder
Published March 31, 2009 @ 02:42PM PT
Like baseball and ballet recitals, attaining the perfect bikini body has evolved into an all-American pastime. Starting with spring break and extending through Labor Day, women and girls across the country strive to lose weight, tone their tummies and find a flattering swimsuit. You must earn your fun in the sun with a suitable figure.
We are a nation suffering from bikini body disorder. So People magazine is patting itself on the back for putting a 48-year-old TV star in a two-piece bathing suit on the cover. While this editorial decision does challenge one ideal, the article staunchly supports another. The Valerie Bertinelli story is all about losing weight. Thanks to a rigid diet and exercise routine, the actress was able to whittle her figure down to a stereotypically accepted size 6. Apparently middle aged women can be sexy, but they have to drop 50 lbs. first.
This wasn't Bertinelli's first People cover. In April 2007, she was featured for her public declaration to slim down. "I need to do this in front of millions of people so I can't mess up," Bertinelli says. "It is freeing because I can say it first: I know what you're thinking - I'm fat." According to the current issue, she rarely made public appearances at her high weight of 172 lbs. This is obviously a woman with serious body image issues. But two years and a Jenny Craig endorsement later, she's bearing it all on the beach, promoting herself as a health and weight-loss activist.
Because age is one of the ways our society discriminates against women's bodies, the story initially appears inspirational. "A bikini? I'm too old for bikinis!" cries Bertinelli. "Then I realized, Wait a minute. Why not a bikini?" But the article quickly devolves into a glorified diet ad.
At times, it goes a step further, eerily echoing eating disorder rhetoric. "I'm just one jalapeno popper away from being 40 lbs. heavier again," says Bertinelli. She adds that every time she looks in the mirror, "My eyes go immediately to the parts I don't like, the jiggly bits."
This type of story reinforces extreme dieting and negative body image. Bertinelli claims, "We all just need to appreciate our bodies for what they are, jiggly bits and all." But she obviously could not do that herself. Not only did she diet down to 132 lbs. in nine months, she got down to 123 for the photo shoot, hiring a personal trainer and restricting her calories to rock bottom levels. Now she vows to "stay vigilant" and keep working on her waistline.
Far from a tale of body acceptance, Bertinelli's bikini quest exemplifies our twisted obsession with weight loss. It supports the cliché that no matter how old you are, no matter how much you've accomplished professional or personally, there is always room for improvement. And for American women, that improvement starts on the scale.
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Thank you for posting this article. I have to tell you, as a 44 year old woman who does not have a bikini body, I was a little depressed by the cover photo.
I had to remember what really counts in life: my three kids, my grandchild, and the fact that my self-worth need not depend on an obsession over my body style.
However, I think we're all conditioned on some level to see a photo like this and feel "less than" in some way. And I had to fight that very human impulse.
For those of us everyday working folk who have mortgage/rent payments and bills and kids, etc., and can't afford a personal trainer, dietitician, etc., I say that beauty is a relative and fleeting thing, and REAL beauty lies in being a living being, not in one's physical attributes.
Posted by Romy Carver on 03/31/2009 @ 03:41PM PT
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Romy,
No need to feel depressed. Valerie's photo is so obviously airbrushed. I'm not saying she's not thinner, but I'm sure as heck that she's not that sleek and smooth and tight-skinned at 48. No way.
Posted by Mary K. on 04/02/2009 @ 04:12PM PT
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Exactly! Any picture on a cover of a any magazine is airbrushed and no one should use magazine pictures to compare themselves with. You can use her story of weight loss and say to yourself "if she can do it at that age, so can I" but don't compare your body to hers, especially when it is infact airbrushed. You make a great point.
Posted by Rivkah Cohen on 04/03/2009 @ 12:04PM PT
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90 % of the big fish are gone from our oceans.Go vegan,the best way to stay fit
Posted by Orv Lehman on 04/04/2009 @ 05:05AM PT
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People were all thin back in the 70's, look at old movies. People were in their 50's and they had flat tummies, male and female. Almost everyone had a small waist and this was not due to extreme dieting or exercise, it was NORMAL. Being over weight is NOT normal, it just seems normal now. The body was made to exercise, prior to mass food production and cars we had to work out to survive. So the big question is: why is almost everyone fat in the USA?
After the poor eating habits and lack of movement there is a valid reason people have trouble to stay thin or lose weight. It is called lack of iodine and halide poisoning. A halide is chlorine, bromide, fluoride, and iodine but iodine is not poison while the rest of this list is. Halides will fill iodine receptors. Bromide is a dough conditioner that was added to bread and replaced iodine starting 30 years ago. We have gotten fatter and fatter since bromide was added to bread and iodine was removed. The breasts and thyroid consume the iodine and require it.
Thyroid disorders are now epidemic, many have a subclincial hypothyroid that most doctors will not treat but still needs treatment. If your body temperaure is no longer 98.6 start looking at your thyroid. The liver requires iodine and l-tyrosine to manufacture an enzyme that converts T4 to T3. We are now all iodine deficient according to the WHO.
Lack of iodine leaves the breasts with none because the thyroid has to have in order for us to live. But there is radioactive iodoine 131 floating around now thanks to the military, so your breats will uptake that. The only way to avoid radioactive iodine in the atmosphere is to keep your own iodine levels high.
You can read about iodine at www.drbrownstein.com and you can get an iodine spot and load test done from FFP Lab.
Health is a complicated issue, there are many, many factors involved in staying healthy and thin.
This is one of the main keys we ALL NEED.
You can read ab out a new breast cancer treatment at www.breastcancercured.com
Take back your health and life, get self educated and take personal responsibility now. There is no virtue in being ignorant about biochemistry, nutrition, supplements, blod tests etc. You cannot pay someone to take the best care of you, you need to learn to take care of yourself. Read www.lef.org people.
Posted by Kristin Monday on 04/04/2009 @ 06:46AM PT
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AMEN!
Posted by Christi Griffin on 04/04/2009 @ 07:10AM PT
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Vegetarianism and veganism are great options for easy inexpensive weight loss. Besides, most meat these days contains frightening amounts of hormones and antibiotics which we really shouldn't call "food." I became vegetarian at age 19, after struggling with anorexia all through my teen years in order to stay thin. Now I eat whenever I want to, I'm never tempted to go hungry on behalf of my figure, and yet I'm able to maintain an attractive weight.
Posted by Lana Bode on 04/04/2009 @ 08:06AM PT
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I find it strange that no one has addressed the steroids and hormones that are fed to livestock in the U.S. Why is this done? To increase the weight of the animals and gain more profit at the slaughterhouse. Why do you think other countries resist buying beef and pork from the U.S.? Because they KNOW it is unhealthy. Indulge me for a moment: I lived in Germany in the 1970's, and after I moved back to the U.S., I gained 20 lbs. in TWO WEEKS!!! Not having changed my eating habits, I could only attribute this phenomenon to the difference in meats. Three years ago, I retired to Mexico. Within six months I had lost 30 lbs.!!! Think about it. U.S. meat producers are poisoning the populace with their food additives.
Posted by Donald Williams on 04/04/2009 @ 10:32AM PT
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Lana, I apologize. I should have read your post more closely.
Posted by Donald Williams on 04/04/2009 @ 10:35AM PT
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Orv and Lana completely missed the point...How??
Posted by Julian Small on 04/04/2009 @ 11:02AM PT
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I recognize that this blog is not about weight-loss plans, and intended my "go veg" pitch as a sidenote. The fact is that obesity is a major problem in the US. Most women (I being among them) work hard to be healthy and look healthy. I was able to overcome my swings between anorexia and chubbiness by choosing a healthy, vegetarian diet. Choosing to go veg (or eat only organic meat) is one of the healthiest choices a person can make, so long as they are responsible about getting sufficient protein and B12. It's also cheaper to dine out as a vegetarian. :)
Posted by Lana Bode on 04/04/2009 @ 12:57PM PT
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Good for you, but still off the point.
Posted by Julian Small on 04/06/2009 @ 04:02PM PT
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Spoken like a true fattie
Posted by Fake Name on 04/14/2009 @ 05:29PM PT
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Fake Name, what do you gain by contemptuous attitude? Feel sorry for you and your loved ones.
Fat is last slightly tolerated predjiduce.
BTW, If you were spewing at me, no I am not "a fattie" , but some of my best friends are. ;)
Posted by Julian Small on 09/05/2009 @ 04:17PM PT
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Fitness is great, but what's sad to me is that Bertinelli couldn't have done the photo shoot at a fit 132 lbs. Plus, even with Bertinelli at 123 lbs, they probably airbrushed the heck out of that photo. Even naturally (or not-so-naturally) thin models get airbrushed. We're not even used to looking at human bodies anymore. The nit-picking of the "jiggly bits" comment is depressing. Human skin moves, Valerie. It's ok!
Posted by Kimberly Koch on 03/31/2009 @ 05:32PM PT
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First thoughts on this are "good for her". She was out of shape/overweight and she got into shape the right way. She's a short person and 123 is a very healthy weight for her size. She did this over 2 years, so I think she deserves some credit.
Following thoughts shot straight to my own body issues and reading lines about looking in the mirror and going straight to the "jiggly bits" is relatable. She didn't lose the weight overnight, she did it publicly through attainable means. 170 something lbs is not healthy. While it can be argued that this article reinforces the negative body issues thrust upon women, it can also be argued that women need to be physically healthy and she can be seen as a role model. I mean, if you think about it, mention Kirstie Alley, on the other end of the spectrum, weighed 200lbs and was a very bad image for women as an unhealthy lifestyle. She lost twice the weight Valerie did, in half the time, then put it back on just as fast.
While women don't need negative body issue catalysts, they do need healthy role models; America has the highest rate of obesity, not to mention diabetes. I look at this, not about image, but about health.
Although I definately agree with the comment regarding a "fit 132 lbs". If it wasn't for Valerie admiting she had to anorex-it-up for the photo shoot, she could have maintained credibility as a role model for women.
Posted by Lauren Marie on 03/31/2009 @ 06:06PM PT
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Great post Lauren, I wonder what kind of reaction a guy would have received if he used the exact same wording?
Posted by T C on 04/03/2009 @ 10:20AM PT
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Besides the problems with rhetoric and the focus and appearance rather than health, as noted thoroughly by others, my main problem with this and most weight loss stories is that the sort of dietary lifestyle they promote is not healthy. Eating heavily processed, pre-packaged diet foods like Jenny Craig is next to the farthest thing from healthy that I can think of. So maybe it helps you lose weight, but you're just going from one unhealthy, industrial diet to another, still malnourished and constantly fighting cravings for non-diet foods.The best way to look good, and more importantly, to be healthy, is to eat outside of the industrial food system. You have to eat whole, unprocessed foods that are truly fresh and grown in a way that best preserves the health of living things and the environment.If you are healthy first, the weight will follow. There is a terrible focus on and demonization of calories--calorie counting rather than paying attention to the substance of those calories, which IS crucial. What needs to promoted rather than weight loss is a healthy diet and lifestyle that more closely resembles what people ate before the food processing industry guided all our dietary research, knowledge, and decisions. If I see one more ad or story or newspaper article about how something is healthy because it is low-fat/low cholesterol, has some added nutrient, or because it lacks some terrible ingredient (like trans-fats), I'm going to pull my hair out. Or drop out of society and become a reclusive homesteader. Or move somewhere that has a real food tradition.
Posted by Lauren Cardella on 04/03/2009 @ 10:40AM PT
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I agree.
1)Isn't america experiencing an obesity issue?
2)The more people consume, the more harm is done to the environment and to your health.
3) You don't have to be a twig to be healthy. But at 5' 2" that is healthy.
Posted by P T on 04/03/2009 @ 12:45PM PT
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I agree somewhat. Exercise, especially weight-training, and a healthy diet are more important than the typical image/body stereotypes. Fit people are naturally healthier and better than fat people.
Posted by Al Nava on 04/03/2009 @ 02:07PM PT
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"Better"?????
Wrong dude!
Posted by P T on 04/03/2009 @ 02:18PM PT
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I'm with Lauren.
Given the insane rates of obesity in the US, I'd say losing 50 lb was a GREAT thing for her health. Probably 2/3 of this country could stand to do just that. We shouldn't make excuses like "it's ok for me to be 50 lb overweight, have high blood pressure, and cholesterol through the roof, because if I think otherwise, I must not love myself enough."
However, I'm taller than her (5'6") and I would argue with those saying 132lb is "fit" for 5'2". When I weighed that, I was so out of shape I couldn't walk a mile in less than a half hour. For that to be "in shape" for someone 4 inches shorter than me sounds ridiculous.
Posted by Mackenzie Morgan on 04/03/2009 @ 02:19PM PT
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Sorry 5' 4"
Posted by P T on 04/03/2009 @ 06:49PM PT
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Mackenzie, a person's level of fitness has to do with a lot more than their weight. If you were too out of shape at 132 lbs to walk a mile, it wasn't because of your weight, it was because you had a low level of cardiovascular fitness, which you probably improved incidentally to losing that weight if you used aerobic exercise like walking, running, dance, bicycling, etc. to help you lose weight. But your increased cardiovascular fitness wasn't a result of your weight loss; it was a side effect of the exercise making your heart and lungs more efficient.
Frankly, a healthy weight is also more than just a number. Someone weighing 132 but having a high ratio of lean body mass (muscle, bone, etc) to fat *is* at a healthier weight than someone the same height and weight but having a lower ratio of lean mass to fat. 132 is perfectly healthy for someone 5'6", and it's also perfectly healthy for someone 5'2" provided that both of those people have a low body fat percentage and a high ratio of muscle mass to fat. Muscle weights a lot more than fat, but it's firm and compact, rather than jiggly and flabby like fat is. That's why two people of the same height and weight can look remarkably different from each other in terms of fitness.
Just wanted to clear up the misconceptions.
Posted by Karen Grant on 04/04/2009 @ 08:37AM PT
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I have to say that I agree with Lauren. Yes the article is reinforcing negative steroeotypes about women and their size BUT people in the United States are fat! It sounds harsh but its true, check out the documentary Super Size Me. We as a nation need to slim down! Granted not everyone can be 120lbs, I sure for one am not, nor should they be but I applaude this story because for the most part (until she reached 132lbs) Valerie lost this weight the right way through diet and exercise over time. What we should be "in arms" about is why there are not more healthly weight loss stories in magazines like People, why do magazines and the fashion industry continue to over photo shop images of women and why we do not see more images of "larger" healthy women.
Posted by DNMP Politico on 03/31/2009 @ 06:48PM PT
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right on. thank you :)
Posted by Lauren Marie on 03/31/2009 @ 08:41PM PT
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Lauren and DNMP Politico, though those are valid points, I have serious concerns about the rhetoric of this article.
Based on her BMI, it sounds like Bertinelli was indeed overweight. But why is her exact weight in pounds newsworthy to begin with? It also sounds like she lost weight at a reasonable and steady rate in the beginning. But why was such a personal health issue turned into a public spectacle? Given that she was a paid spokeswoman for Jenny Craig, I think it was primarily for egotistical and financial gain. And there is no question that her final push before this photoshoot was extreme.
The story does not discuss the health and lifestyle concerns associated with a high BMI. Rather it focuses purely on aesthetics. Beyond that, I don't like how People has couched this issue. It's as if they are saying being old isn't as bad as being heavy.
Posted by Julie Neumann on 03/31/2009 @ 09:16PM PT
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"It's as if they're saying being old isn't as bad as being heavy"? Hmmm.
Having just celebrated my 59th birthday, I can attest to the fact that there is nothing one can do to stop the march of chronological aging. So to suggest that "being old is bad" would certainly be a matter of judging someone on the basis of a superficial factor over which they truly have no control.
As an athlete, however, I can assure you that there are many things one can do to slow down physical aging, such as eating right and exercising regularly - both of which pretty much preclude being "heavy", if by "heavy" we mean "fat."
So if by "bad" we mean "unhealthy", then, yes, I beleive it is perfectly reasonable to say that being old isn't as bad as being heavy.
Whether or not someone has the ability to exercise control over their lack of exercise or what they eat (to address a later post) is entirely beside the point.
And, to address an even later post, I tried to quit drinking coffee (which really affected me badly) a dozen times until I realized that the only way I was going to be able to do it was to declare to the world that I had quit. So, since my 45th birthday, I have told all of my friends, family, and anyone else who offered me a cup, "I don't drink coffee." It worked for me, and I'm happy for Valerie that it worked for her.
Posted by Craig Laughlin on 04/03/2009 @ 06:20AM PT
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Humans have become way to complacent and physically lazy. There is no justification for being overweight.
The human body was not made to sit in front of a computer all day.
And as stated it took her two years, that is completely reasonable.
If I was overweight would hope that someone who cared about me, would let me know and get me in the gym or running.
Posted by P T on 04/03/2009 @ 12:54PM PT
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I agree completely. Bertinelli is a washed up has-been looking for some extra cash. Her claim to fame is what, some sit-coms from the 80s? And a short-lived marriage to Eddie Van Halen? Wow, talk about super stardom!
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/03/2009 @ 08:46PM PT
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I am just saying that at least 1/3 of the people who ahd posted here had the initial reaction that this woman got healthy the right way, over an appropriate amount of time and also see that this article is a fantatic gateway for women in America to get healthy without purging or starving themselves.
It seems as though this article is saying "just because you're over 45 and have children, it's not to late to get healthy".
I think you should look inwards when regarding what you take away from the article. Because, really, at what point is a woman getting in shape/becomming healthy going to stop being about eating disorders? She in no way demonstrates the characteristics of an eating disorder (i'm a psychologist so trust me on this). Many, multiple women feel bad about themselves and overweight and now have a woman too look towards; over 40, patience and healthy ways of trimming down. what woman, proud of her accomplishments in health are we going to draw the line from being anorexic to being health concious? Because, really, anything else is projecting.
Posted by Lauren Marie on 03/31/2009 @ 09:38PM PT
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How can you possibly diagnose someone as having or not having an eating disorder without talking to them personally and reviewing their medical history?
I don't know what Cracker Jack box you got your psychology degree from, but it can go back.
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/03/2009 @ 08:49PM PT
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Lauren, I'm sorry mate, but you now have a fan!
Posted by T C on 04/04/2009 @ 06:01AM PT
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Taco, the only cracker jack box box I can see around here is the one you got your attitude out of. You know, the one that says that anybody over 40 who doesn't have a current hit TV show is a washed-up has-been who ought to crawl quietly away into a corner and die so that you won't have to be exposed to them?
Posted by Karen Grant on 04/04/2009 @ 08:42AM PT
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Although I have not read the original People article, based on the summary here, we know nothing about Valerie Bertinelli's health. Health is reflected by blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and triglyceride counts -- not weight. Fifty percent of overweight and obese people have health markers within a normal range, while 25% of thin people do not. Correlation is not causation, and obesity does not cause health problems, even though it certainly can and does coexist with them.
Valerie may be more healthy at 123 pounds than she was at 172. Then again, she may not. We simply don't know. As long as people use weight as a proxy for health, we think people with eating disorders and obsessive exercise habits are "healthy," and people with perfectly acceptable health markers who are carrying more pounds as "unhealthy."
Who benefits from that? Not the thin people who think they have nothing to worry about, and not the heavier people who fear lectures from their doctors and don't get the preventative care they need.
But hey, let's give Jenny Craig and the diet industry the boost they need and make more people feel badly about themselves.
Posted by Paula B on 04/01/2009 @ 06:57AM PT
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Lauren, you should really find and read the print version before you assume this article presents healthy model for weight loss. I forgot to add that as a note, but you can only get the full version of this story in the actual magazine.
Yes, many women do feel bad about their size, and an article like this perpetuates weight loss for purely aesthetic reasons, not health. The printed version goes into specific numerical statistics, details about how she refused to wear a bikini for 20 years, the constant fear of gaining back a few pounds and much more. Even if Bertinelli's methods were OK, her mentality borders on disordered.
As a psychologist, I certainly hope you realize how damaging such beliefs can be. A weight loss obsession doesn't have to be a full-blown eating disorder to cause serious mental distress and a significantly reduced quality of life.
Posted by Julie Neumann on 04/01/2009 @ 09:08AM PT
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There is a major difference between proclaiming weight loss for health and wellness reasons and proclaiming weight loss for aesthetic reasons. This article is clearly the latter, like most articles about weight loss in magazines. Thank you for making this distinction, Julie, and pointing out the seriousness of the "bikini body disorder." Being overweight is unhealthy, but having a weight loss obsession that revolves around attaining the publicly accepted standard of beauty (the bikini body) is unhealthy too.
Posted by D W on 04/01/2009 @ 10:13AM PT
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Well considered, strong conclusion. Excellent.
Posted by Lydon Neumann on 04/01/2009 @ 12:34PM PT
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Julie, I went to the link of the article and it was very short; but I wouldn't be surprised if content was edited out. You're absolutely right, obsession with gaining weight and body image is NOT healthy and should not be promoted in popular magazines. But I just feel that with so manu negative role models out there, we can't pick on a woman who feels self concious since she was overweight. People magazine is abhorent and is known for cover stories like those claiming Jennifer Love Hewit is fat b/c she was photographed in a bikini that wasn't airbrushed. Go after the publication, not the woman.
Posted by Lauren Marie on 04/01/2009 @ 05:59PM PT
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I think that most of us can agree that we'd all be better off not reading magazines like _People_, whose bottom lines are based on selling products and a fantasy celebrity lifestyles to their readers. If we feel pressured to conform to some nit-picky superficial aesthetic that isn't even achievable without touch-up artists, I can only imagine the pressure that most Hollywood actresses must feel. When one of them gives in to these pressures by going on an extreme diet regime for a photoshoot, they get tons of publicity that perpetuates those pressures even more. I think we can agree that if Bertinelli had done a health-oriented interview and photoshoot with a less superficial magazine, women could look up to her as a role model.
These are also the magazines that pay photographers for stalking celebrities so that we can simultaneously give them more attention and scrutiny than they deserve. This kind of entertainment exacerbates judgmentalness and superficiality and contributes little to nothing to society as a whole. I wish that fewer people would waste their money and minds supporting these publications.
Posted by Kimberly Koch on 04/01/2009 @ 07:41PM PT
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OK, try to ignore the fact that it's organized in a totally annoying Photobucket album, but I wanted to get this up ASAP. I've scanned in the entire article so people can get a real feel for how People portrayed this:
http://s484.photobucket.com/albums/rr208/JulieNeumann/People%20Magazine%20-%20Valerie%20Bertinelli/
Because yes, I agree, it is the way it was presented that is so harmful. My intent was not to pick on Valerie Bertinelli the person, but to criticize her portrayal and the implications of the story.
Posted by Julie Neumann on 04/02/2009 @ 09:11AM PT
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I think the problem with this article isn't Bertinelli's weight loss or even her final weight, but the goal of having a specific appearance to others (bikini body) instead of a healthy body. It's a good thing for people, both men and women, who are overweight to lose weight to be healthier, live longer, and be more active. I think the issue here is motivation- we should be focused on attaining and maintaining a healthy weight, not making our bodies look a certain way for a piece of clothing.
Posted by Amanda Kloer on 04/02/2009 @ 01:50PM PT
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I would like to appeal to all the obese people I see every day.
You are killing yourselves you should seek profession help. Yesterday I saw a lady struggling to walk she was at least twice the size her body could carry. She was maybe 35 years old if that. But she did make it to the handicap electric chairs in Walmart after parking in a handicap space. How could anyone eat themselves into this shape?
Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 04/02/2009 @ 03:03PM PT
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<< How could anyone eat themselves into this shape?
The truth is, Fred, most of them do not. Contrary to popular belief, weight management is not just about calories in/calories out. It has a great deal to do with hormones (particularly thyroid, cortisol, and growth hormone but also estrogen and testosterone), genetics, and other things that scientists haven't even figured out (leptin, set point, etc.)
Most of the obese people I know eat healthier than the skinny people I know. My mom is one of them. I watch shows like "The Biggest Loser" where they find fat people who literally eat half a gallon of ice cream every day; I don't know those people. The obese people I know are eating pretty well, exercising somewhat...just like most of the thin people I know. FRANKLY, very few people I know - fat or thin - are eating TRULY well and exercising ENOUGH. Unfortunately we judge the fat person for their habits BECAUSE OF HOW THEY LOOK, not really because they are unhealthy, because the truth is that skinny people get heart attacks and cancer every day too. This has a lot more to do with what we are culturally conditioned to want to LOOK at, versus what is actually good for our health. I am all for truly healthy diet and vigorous exercise, but I also realize that for many people that still may not transform them into the "look" that other people "think" is healthy.
Posted by Heidi Daniels on 04/03/2009 @ 10:44AM PT
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Please Heidi. I really try to not be offensive and be sensitive to others struggles, but rationalizing a 60 percent obesity rate in the United States by saying it's hormones not food is ridiculous. No one gets to be 300 pounds because their hormones are a little out of whack. What causes most of the obesity in the US is the fact that very few meals are ever prepared at home from scratch and one sit down meal at a resturant is often somewhere around 1500 calories. People are overeating and that is why they are overweight.
Posted by Crystal Jewess on 04/04/2009 @ 07:17AM PT
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On the one hand I do agree - it IS food. The food that we eat is atrocious. The problem I see is that the thin people I know EAT JUST AS BADLY as the overweight people I know. EVERYONE is eating processed junk, dining out, eating refined carbs, sugar, corn-fed meat that is stuffed full of antibiotics and artificial hormones. So judging a fat person for eating the same junk as everyone else seems a bit ingenuous. SOMETHING is different that is making their bodies retain weight where the thin person next to then eating the same junk diet is NOT retaining weight...and in many cases when they are eating a much healthier diet and STILL NOT LOSING THE WEIGHT.
I eat a healthier diet than virtually anyone else I know...unprocessed, made-from-scratch, whole grains, grassfed meats (I get a lot of my food from local farms.) I workout (tough workouts, visit www.crossfit.com to see what I do on a regular basis.) And I'm 80 lbs overweight. Not because of how I eat, or lack of exercise...but because three years ago my thyroid shut down. I'm convinced that my mom - who is probably over 100 lbs overweight yet eats huge salads for dinner, cooks organic from scratch almost every night - has an undiagnosed thyroid issue. Hormones "a little out of whack" can cause HUGE issues and make people very sick in ADDITION to causing weight problems, and DUE TO OUR JUNK DIET as well as genetic factors, many many many people have out-of-whack hormones. I personally know a dozen people with thyroid problems. It's not rare.
I'm not saying what people eat is not important. It horrifies me what some people will put in their mouths. I'm not saying vigorous exercise isn't important...after starting Crossfit I am realizing that virtually NO ONE is in the shape they ought to be for their health. But lets not pretend that the thin person is automatically healthier than the fat person just because they are thin...when many times they are eating the same food and exercising just as little...and the fat person is (many times, not all the time) eating HEALTHIER food and exercising more.
My husband is thin. He comes from a thin family. He will always be thin and never have to struggle. He eats worse than I do (because he often eats lunch out while at work) and exercises far less. He is not as healthy as me (despite my hormone problems) - he struggles with digestive issues, constipation, gas, etc. He started Crossfit with me recently and he is very out of shape.
So let me say it loud and clear: WHAT A PERSON LOOKS LIKE DOES NOT TELL YOU HOW HEALTHY THEIR INTERNAL ORGANS ARE.
The diet that most Americans eat is unhealthy - whether it causes them to gain weight or not. Dining out is unhealthy. Lack of exercise is unhealthy. But a lot of people share those habits - both thin and fat people.
I am a firm believer in returning to a traditional diet of unprocessed food made from scratch, bought locally and from the farm. I am a firm believer in tough, intense exercise. I also have enough personal experience with this that I know that I may never be a size 6 no matter how much I eat healthy, exercise, and take care of myself...indeed, no matter how healthy my insides are, I may never "look" the way society tells me I should look. It is sad to know that I will always be judged by the larger society. And why? Is it really because people are concerned about health? That is the guise, I think, but as many here said - no one judges the person who goes skydiving or engages in other risky behaviors because it's "bad for their health" - the fact is we don't like LOOKING at fat people, so we use health as the justification to judge them.
My mom - overweight as she is - is as healthy as an ox. She never gets sick, not even with so much as a headache. My husband's mom - thin, pretty, "healthier looking" - died of breast cancer by age 50. Who was healthier? Not the thin person.
A mentor in my life used to be about 125 lbs overweight...then she had stomach surgery. She is now a very small size 6...she "looks" fantastic. But she is not healthy...she can't eat healthy food because her body can't digest it very well, can't eat enough protein to keep her hair from falling out...I worry about her. But everyone who looks at her thinks "oh good for her, losing the weight and becoming healthier." Not so! She is NOT healthier than she used to be! She's just easier on the eyes.
All I'm saying is - there's a lot more involved than diet/exercise/health. Fat people can be healthy, thin people can be unhealthy. Not all fat people, believe it or not, eat mountains of unhealthy food. Not all thin people, believe it or not, have an impeccable diet.
If you're thin, have always been thin, and come from a thin family - frankly you have no business telling a fat person why they're fat or what they should do about it. It's more complicated than that.
Posted by Heidi Daniels on 04/04/2009 @ 09:03AM PT
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Some people can not exercise because of diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, severe heart or breathing problems, MS, etc. I am quite lean, but do not believe I should criticize others.
Posted by M. J. Mullins on 04/04/2009 @ 11:06AM PT
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I do understand where you're coming from Heidi, I also have an underactive thyroid and am on medication for it. I'm also on other medications that make the body retain weight. My entire family is heavy and I have struggled with maintaining my weight since puberty (which I hit at a very young age because of hormones in meat products). So I know that some people do have to work harder to stay a healthy weight, because I am one of them.
I also know that it is not impossible. For those who have let it get out of control before they tried to make a change it can be a daunting task. I know that. Everyone has personal challenges, but just because some people have no problem staying "thin" doesn't mean that overweight people can use their challenges as excuses. It also doesn't give them a right to criticize thin people.
I personally am 5 pounds above a healthy weight, and it's been worse, but because of the changes I've made in diet and exercise I've managed to keep my weight under control.
So here is what I'm trying to say, Whether someone has extra challenges, like hormone problems or medications that interfere with metabolism, it's no excuse. Maintaining a healthy weight can still be done. The bottom line is, no matter how many excuses a person has, it's not going to change the fact that being overweight is unhealthy. It puts extra stress on the organs and in the long run shortens life.
This is definately not meant as a personal attack Heidi. I sympathize with your struggle because I know how frustrating it can be to try to lose weight when your body seems to be against you. But it's not ok for people to use excuses like these to rationalize living an unhealthy lifestyle.
Posted by Crystal Jewess on 04/05/2009 @ 12:52PM PT
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Crystal,
Ok, but I don't see where *anyone* on this thread has defended living an unhealthy lifestyle for *any* reason.
All I was saying is that it is perfectly possible to eat a very clean, wholesome diet and exercise vigorously, and still not lose weight - and still not "look" the way society thinks we should. I am sad when I see *anyone* making unhealthy choices - even if that person is thin. Probably especially because I struggle with chronic illness, I value health and wellness more than most people. I am working to lose weight - but I will not do it to satisfy a culture that tells me I must be thin in order to be beautiful, loved, worthy, or even healthy...because that's simply not true.
I think the very fact that you think I'm making excuses for my weight betrays the assumption most people carry around that if someone is fat, it's their fault...they're lazy...undisciplined...excusing an unhealthy lifestyle. Do you people not realize that it's truly possible to live an extremely healthy lifestyle, have extremely healthy internal body systems, and still not be a size 6? Why is that so hard to believe?
There are many people who excuse and rationalize an unhealthy lifestyle - you just can't tell who they are by their size.
Size should not be the issue. We shouldn't care what other people "look" like. We shouldn't campaign for looks. We should campaign for a healthier food supply, more active lifestyles, proper attention to nutrition. What the person "looks" like should not bother us. When people MUST talk about what someone looks like (not just whether they are making healthy choices), again - it betrays the underlying obsession with a cultural construct of "beauty" that has nothing to do with health and longevity.
Posted by Heidi Daniels on 04/05/2009 @ 02:43PM PT
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Like I said, Heidi. My comments were not meant as a personal attack on you. The reason I posted on this article is because the article itself is criticizing a woman for working hard to get to a healthy weight because she did it publicly. I'm not even 100% sure how your personal hormone issues got involved. My one and only point when I initially posted here is that we should not be criticizing Valerie Bertinelli over achieving her goals. And as a country we have a 60% obesity rate. No matter what the reason, obesity is linked to life threatening conditions, which is why I and most doctors consider obesity to be unhealthy. So I'm saying, Go Valerie! And let that be an example to the world that despite limitations, it is possible to attain a healthy weight even after many years of being obese. I'm sure you'll find that her personal story is fraught with struggles as well.
With that I am removing myself from this conversation because it has diverted too far from the original topic.
Posted by Crystal Jewess on 04/05/2009 @ 03:28PM PT
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I have seen hugely obese women with very obese kids, in the supermarket, buying donuts, cake, candy, 12-packs of soft drink, their electric carts piled high with this stuff. So healthy lifestyle be damned, it's not just genes, a lot of it is learned. Those kids are already fat and have learned poor eating behavior, and I will bet my basket of fruit that they end up wondering why they have diabetes in a few years. Body image and body acceptance vs eating disorders are one thing, but it is possible to go too far the other way and accept huge as OK, normal. It's not.
Posted by Mindy Machanic on 04/09/2009 @ 10:34AM PT
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P.S. You can eat huge salads and if they also have huge amounts of salad dressing, even oil and vinegar, then they may be healthy, but they contain large amounts of fat. You can eat organic, but that doesn't reduce the amount of fats in the foods. And if you fry (or even saute) them, you add fats. Even if you use whole grain pastas, you add sauces, you add cheese, so you add fats. And it all has calories. Ever see what is considered "one serving" of most foods? About 1/4 of what most people consider a serving, and about 1/8 of what a lot of people actually eat as a serving. So even eating salads and organic foods doesn't guarantee a healthy weight, especially if you don't do much exercising.
Posted by Mindy Machanic on 04/10/2009 @ 07:39AM PT
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I think it is sad when people are judged by their addictions. Everyone has their issues, for some people it's food, others it's smoking, caffeine, alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling, or any other compulsive behavior you can possibly think of. I suppose many of those people are "killing themselves and should seek professional help." Food addiction carries the additional shame of one's addiction being visible to others, whether it's in the form of obesity or perhaps anorexia.
Fred, don't think for a minute that people with food issues don't want to change, and don't think that they don't put more shame on themselves than you ever could. Imagine the humiliation that woman at Walmart must have been feeling. Put yourself in this other person's shoes for a moment, and don't just assume that they have not tried to lose weight, because if you asked, you'd probably find that the majority of them have been on every diet plan known to man.
Posted by Romy Carver on 04/02/2009 @ 04:15PM PT
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Romy. Very compassionate. Thanks!
Posted by Marcia McGuire on 04/02/2009 @ 11:01PM PT
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Very well said Romy, and very true!
Posted by Julie Neumann on 04/03/2009 @ 06:24AM PT
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Addiction = Blaming someone or something. We all have free will.
Posted by P T on 04/03/2009 @ 01:04PM PT
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Free will is not all it's cracked up to be and not everything we do is a result of conscious choice. Some people lack will power. I had a neighbor in Riverside, CA who didn’t always weigh 475 pounds. Bert was slim once, but somewhere along the line, he had eaten his way into his present condition. He drove a motorcycle, which was one of the strangest thing many people in southern California had ever seen on the highways, as he hung out in back and in front and he could tell you the names and locations of every single all you can eat restaurant within a radius of 50 miles. He was addicted to food and his motorcycle was the syringe he used to inject the food into his veins. As you might expect, he had lots of medical problems and when he wasn’t around for a while, he was generally in the hospital. I haven’t seen him in 3 years, so I have no idea if he is still alive, but wouldn’t bet money on it. We all have a potential addiction, some of us haven't found it yet.
Posted by D K on 04/04/2009 @ 12:03AM PT
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Consciously or subconsciously, the focus on female weight issues are sexist.
A well known man with a 50+ weight loss wouldn't draw any interest.
Imagine a man with one hand in his hair, the other hand on his hip, and his legs spread ridiculously WIDE apart. The photograph would not be viewed as a weight loss celebration, it would look like a promotion for Playgirl magazine. The double standards between males and females should alarm anyone with beliefs in equality for the genders, otherwise the perception of equality needs to be put in check. In truth, it doesn't exist for some people.
Discrimination is being eradicated in many areas. The term "fat" is extremely hurtful and definitely derogatory. Proper terminology is rarely used; words such as overweight, obese or heavy, to name a few. "Fat" is an accepted "n" or "b" word. The use of the word "fat" should not be permitted. The word is meant to create a hurtful response. This does not help the overweight individual. It can have an adverse affect. Use of this word also reflects a person's acceptance of discrimination and words that hurt.
For the sake of truth, imagine a man on the cover of that issue/article and it might surprise you to find out where your level of compassion and equality really exists.
Quite frankly, the Bertinelli photograph is sexist and borders on the obscene through suggestion.
Obesity is physical. Is narcissism the real 'issue' here? I would much rather deal with the heavy-set compassionate man or woman rather than the egotistical "I'm thin" mentality. Self-esteem and respect for self and others is lost in this obsessive society.
Thank you, Julie and Lydon. Dawn, excellent comment!
Posted by Marcia McGuire on 04/02/2009 @ 10:55PM PT
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Sorry Marcia. I got an e-mail from change.org and made my way to this discussion without realizing where I was. I can see where "fat" could be viewed as a hurtful word and appologize for using it in my first posting. My bad.
I haven't read the article, and don't intend to. I don't drink coffee, and I don't read People Magazine. So I think I'll just excuse myself from the conversation now.
p.s. You are totally right about that absurd cover photo.
Posted by Craig Laughlin on 04/03/2009 @ 06:46AM PT
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Thank you for your response. You prove yourself to be a man of honor. The word "fat" is overlooked because it is still accepted. Confusing. Consider some of the comments in this section and it is a sad statistic. A couple comments come from misogynist mentalities.
Posted by Marcia McGuire on 04/03/2009 @ 08:33PM PT
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I'm too fat. I'm not morbidly obese, but was headed that way. Banning the word "fat" and calling it something else won't make me any healthier, happier, or better looking. I am still too fat, and fat is what I have too much of. I'm starting to win this battle, and I'm not interested in putting my efforts to sugar-coating the problem, which is that I am too FAT.
Posted by Sean Holloway on 04/05/2009 @ 02:42PM PT
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Sean, fine. You are fat. My Lord, are you ever so fat! Is there any other perceived imperfections you have? How about your pigmentation? Is it too dark? There is an unacceptable slang word for that too. Sorry! Can't ban the words according to you. You are what you are. It is what it is. Just as the medical field refers to "fat cells" they also use the term ethnicity and pigmentation. (Recent progressive changes in history.) The derogatory uses ARE banned and SHOULD be.
The focus in action and WORDS should be on accomplishing a healthy weight goal. No abuses of Self or language. Weight loss should be viewed as a celebrated challenge, not a "fight." (Sheesh!!!)
However, I will comment to please you: "and I'm not interested in putting my efforts to sugar-coating the problem, which is that (you are) too FAT."
I hope I have pleased you and all of the other women who subscribe to self loathing and promote female bashing among both genders. If there is anything else I can say to further your histrionics and any women who encourage it amongst themselves, call on me. I will oblige.
You're welcome. :)
Posted by Marcia McGuire on 04/06/2009 @ 09:23AM PT
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As far as complexion goes, I'm pale (or fair, if that sounds better). Having dark or pale skin isn't a physical imperfection caused by either a physical disorder or bad habits. I can't eat enough or little enough or the right types of nutrients to change my skin, but then again, since it isn't a problem that's going to put me at risk of diabetes and heart disease, I'm not really worried about my complexion.
As far as self-loathing goes, well, no. If I loathed myself, I wouldn't put in the work to lose weight, because after all I'd be convinced that I'm not worth the effort.
As for losing weight being a battle, it has been for me. If it is a funzi-wunzi game for some other people, then great. BTW, when did I promote female bashing? I can't find it.
Posted by Sean Holloway on 04/06/2009 @ 06:24PM PT
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Thank you for this post. I've suffered from anorexia on and off since I was a teenager, and I cannot begin to tell you what it did to my life. I see stuff like this in the news and it brings out all sorts of emotions in me, but I am happy to say that the first thought was aligned with this post---for me that is healthy. The bikini body is such an illusion; I've weighed well below the acceptable body weight in severe bouts of anorexia and I still looked like crap in a swimsuit; it isn't weight and it isn't even exercise per se; it's choosing to scupt your body to correspond to ONE image that a lot of bodies cannot do as we are all made differently, no matter what the scale or the muscle vs fat ratio is. Valerie is free like the rest of us to choose her life path, but it becomes a problem when we are coerced by the media to think this is the only way a woman must look. I tell you; a lot of "thin" women have fainting spells, they are severely dehydrated, their fertility is compromised, they are anemic and they have low blood pressure and terrible blood circulation. The obsession for the bikini body is bondage for women, and it isn't healthy for men as it screws up their own natural intuition as to what true beauty is.
Thank you again for this fine post.
Posted by S B on 04/03/2009 @ 05:51AM PT
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I didn't read everything here because I don't have time.
I just wanted to say that every time I see 'perfect' people on ads like this, it not only reminds me that I'd never be able to afford a commercial diet or a gym membership. I'm 62 with breast cancer. I actually quit smoking after 50 years, but I'm about 60 pounds overweight. I was a (neurotic) size 3 all my life and now I wouldn't even admit what I try to squeeze into.
On the other side of the fence is Kirsty Ally... now THAT IS more realistic. After dieting you almost always gain it all back plus more.
Other than the cancer, I'm really healthy, even with my huge belly. So it's not ALWAYS for health reasons. It all just leaves me feeling so ugly and undeserving of any pleasures in life. It's just too bad for us fatties.
Posted by Deborah DeStefano on 04/03/2009 @ 07:11AM PT
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"Imagine a man with one hand in his hair, the other hand on his hip, and his legs spread ridiculously WIDE apart."
Calvin Klein, Holister, Abercrombie and Fitch...you get the point. The average male doesn't fit in to the demographics this article is trying to reach. If People Magazine had articles about big, healthy women, with pictures that are unaesthetically pleasing, customers are lost. If you walked in to Abercrombie and Fitch and didn't find pictures of men and women in their twenties half naked, the well established teen customer base is lost.
We can debate the psychological well being of this article and what it projects to society, whether that be correct or incorrect. But let's face it, People Magazine is a business, and a very successful business at that.
People Magazine isn't a health magazine, and the people who read it are more willing to act on an article that concentrates on a well defined "bikini body" than an article that concentrates on calories and carbs. It's unforunate, but it's the truth.
If being aesthetically pleasing is the driving force behind achieving a healthy lifestyle then so be it.
Posted by Derek Cobia on 04/03/2009 @ 07:29AM PT
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While it is unfortunate that there are so many materially absorbed individuals in todays society, I believe that it is just as unfortunate that people sit around feeling sorry for themselves about it are just as bad.
Be happy with yourself. Stop worrying about what other people think about you. If you want to pick on the media for portraying harmful material, look more at their excessive use of fear.
As far as what is "ideal" in terms of people and their bodies...sorry but you will never win this battle against human nature. Younger, healthier people are more attractive than older, unhealthier people.
Rather than look at this as a slight against them, old, fat women should be inspired by this success! If it matters so much to them, they hell up off their pitty pot (and the sofa) and go do something about their health. If, on the other hand, it doesnt matter to them, than there really is no point in mentioning any of this - or even noticing it for that matter.
Boohoo. :p
Posted by Michael Reilly on 04/03/2009 @ 07:46AM PT
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Thank you Julie for posting this, and scanning the actual article so people could read it in it's full, uh, glory. Clearly Valerie Bartinelli has struggled with weight issues her whole life - issues NOT related to health, i.e. "crash diets on the set of One Life to Live." At 5'4, weighing 132 (quite a bit of which was probably muscle weight, not fat, due to her 9 month workout regimen) is healthy. But it is clear from the article, that there were all kinds of psychological motivators that drove her to drop to 123. The only mention of the health benefits of losing weight are in the side-bar, and only when talking about her boyfriend who decided to lose weight when he became winded on walks.
Women and men both need to maintain healthy weights, but the motivators should be HEALTH, not a bikini body. I'm 5'6, weigh 135 pounds (ahem, not all muscle weight), and if I were on the cover of People, it would be in a "Bods that should not be in bikinis" expose. But my BMI is great. My waist size (33) is right in the middle of the absolutely healthy range.
It is unlikely People magazine will change its ways to focus on the real issues of weight, but I should give some props to other women's magazines that seem to focus more on health, not looks (i.e. Oprah, who seems to struggle with weight - not sure of the psychology of her story, but she doesn't seem to say things like, "I can't stand to look at my jiggly bits," while motioning to her thighs....ouch...). Anyway, at least she brings in Dr. Oz who suggests we give up the desire to bury cellulite with expensive creams, and focus on losing the dangerous belly weight that cramps our organs and causes long-term health problems.
It's doubtful that story would sell as much as Valerie in a bikini, or Madonna not getting her child from Malawi, but health (and healthful beauty) is the story Americans need to hear.
Posted by Lisa McCormack on 04/03/2009 @ 07:50AM PT
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Julie - thanks for your piece - the thing that really disturbs me is the messages being given to girls - tweens & teens - by this article and so many other media. The most harmful thing is the message is that it's normal for a woman to hate her own body. Girls clearly get the message that part of becoming a woman is learning how to judge and dislike their own bodies - and they are getting those messages at younger and younger ages. We hear that all the time from girls at newmoon.com - it's a recipe for emotional and psychological pain and harm, as you say.
Check out a powerful film on our crazy behaviors and beliefs around "beauty" at http://www.americathebeautifuldoc.com/ - made by Darryl Roberts.
Posted by Nancy Gruver on 04/03/2009 @ 08:28AM PT
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The cover says it all: "I can't believe I did it!".While her other comments about her own body image are common, people will lose the unwanted weight and keep it off because they have taught themselves that they deserve it. When someone can say: "I love that I love myself!" or "I love it when I put my focus on something and I obtain it!", then I will know that they will continue to do good things for themselves and for the people they love.
Posted by Peter Cannon on 04/03/2009 @ 08:34AM PT
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Julie - thanks for your piece - the thing that really disturbs me is the messages being given to girls - tweens & teens - by this article and so many other media. The most harmful thing is the message is that it's normal for a woman to hate her own body. Girls clearly get the message that part of becoming a woman is learning how to judge and dislike their own bodies - and they are getting those messages at younger and younger ages. We hear that all the time from girls at newmoon.com - it's a recipe for emotional and psychological pain and harm, as you say.
Check out a powerful film on our crazy behaviors and beliefs around "beauty" at http://www.americathebeautifuldoc.com/ - made by Darryl Roberts.
Posted by Nancy Gruver on 04/03/2009 @ 08:39AM PT
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I scanned the pros and cons of these blogs and all I came up with is: that as individuals and a nation we need to be more healthy. It's kind of like the mind set that "poverty breeds poverty" being over weight can be "hereditary" as well. If all you've ever eaten was fried or out of a styrofoam box your probably going to continue that lifestyle. Changing peoples behavior in the long run is just not realistic. There will be those who overcome it, but most won't. So, lets try to be not judgemental of anyone. No one knows what anyone else has been through or is going through. Unless you've been there, your just putting on shoes that don't fit.
Posted by Regina McCurdy on 04/03/2009 @ 09:35AM PT
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Just because you were raised on fried chicken doesn't mean you have to continue living off of it once you're grown and out of the house. I grew up in a house where every meal involved something made with heavy cream or 3x the amount of butter it should, along with a big helping of salt. Guess how I eat now? Vegetarian, no dairy, no added salt.
I also grew up believing it reasonable to drive 3 blocks to the grocery store. Now? I walk 10 blocks to the grocery store each week and two miles to the other side of town a few times a week. I don't even have a car, and when my parents visit I think they're crazy for driving.
Posted by Mackenzie Morgan on 04/03/2009 @ 02:25PM PT
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If we cared about health, we would have national health care (far cheaper than our present system and would give everyone access to health care.) What we seem to care about is a very judgemental aesthetic which allows one group of the population to be villified to the point of suicidal ideation. The pendulum doesn't seem to swing back on this one. The ironic thing is that the more overweight people are hated and tortured, the more of us seem to become overweight. I do not know if that has to do with unavoidably sedentary jobs and the cheaper food choices (in this economy I don't really see a lot of us negotiating with our employers for the four hours of daily exercise I read it takes some people to genetically compensate for a tendency to put on weight), the increase in cortisol stress (such as being the member of a hated group or worrying about becoming the member of one) brings on (cortisol-weight gain), or if it is some form of divine justice.
I am extremely concerned about Amercians not being healthy and a lot of that is a problem with access to even basic regular health care in many communities. We are also working longer hours, with flatlined wages, than the citizens of other nations. More and more of our food is imported instead of local and the chemical profile of some pesticides is terrifying. We are carrying around a lot of bizarre chemicals in our bloodstream and supposedly living in some of our major cities is equivalent to smoking 2 packs per day. Which reminds me that cigarettes are still legally sold here despite their extreme addictivity, disastrous health effects, and expensiveness over time. Health? Cry me a river. What some of you want are "hot bodies"...defined for you by Madison Avenue. Marilyn Monroe would be a "fattie" today. I'm sick of hearing about it. You are not what you eat. You are what you think and what you do. If you say you are "good", that doesn't mean you decided not to have a piece of chocolate cake. Who the hell cares if you eat cake. I want to know if you helped anyone less fortunate than yourself today. Sheesh.
Posted by Beep Beep on 04/03/2009 @ 09:00PM PT
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I am no expert but from my research most physicians/doctors agree that rapid extreme weight loss is dangerous and not a proven method for sustained weight loss for most. With that being said it took Valerie two years to lose the weight. Valerie had a dietitian and personal trainer to assist her achieve her goal. A bikini body for vanity is one thing but lowering cholesterol and heart pressure is another. No she was not obese but that extra weight does overload internal organs and can shorten your life. Valerie is in show business and the public demands their celebrities to look there best. This obsession is not the fault of People Magazine or Valerie, it is society's obsession with perfection in the ones that we look up to. My wife has giggly and I love it, because I love her, but if she could do what Valerie did she would. Most of us don't have the time and energy for this routine. Now after seeing Valerie, both me and my wife say "Hey I can do that too" So I say Good for you Valeria and thanks for the inspiration and reason now to try.
Posted by Frank Gleason on 04/03/2009 @ 09:46AM PT
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Thank you Frank. That is exactly how I feel. Instead of picking this apart it could do people some good to look at positive role models. We spend so much time trying to justify being happy with being overweight that it goes overlooked when a person makes a healthy change; a much needed symbol in this country. While it is great that people are happy with who they are, and they should be, when did it become so horrible for a person to be happy taking a step in a healthy direction?
Posted by Lauren Marie on 04/06/2009 @ 12:53PM PT
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I think Valerie looks great. Being 40 pounds overweight at any age in life whether you're male or female is very unhealthy for your heart, your lungs, your skin and digestive tract. It affects everything in your body. I am trying to lose 25 pounds for my health and how I look and feel. Being overweight makes me feel sluggish, uncomfortable in clothes and off balance.
Kudos to Valerie for her weight loss. She looks healthier, and I am certain she has more energy. She is a mentor to me to go for the best health I can while I am here. I think a lot of people are just plain jealous a she is beautiful!
Posted by Janet Elizabeth Geren on 04/03/2009 @ 11:55AM PT
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You know whats weird about all this to me now that I am 43 and trying to look my best. I obsessed when I weighed 130 and it was never good enough when I was in my 20's no matter how small or how many pds i lost. With that being said I have more realistic goals for myself. Its more about inch loss for me and being healthy than what the scale says or the size of the tag on my pants. I think a realistic weight loss for each individual is what is most important. I think Valerie looks great but again in American the word moderation seems to be lost. Its always how extreme can we go. I agree that Valerie could of looked just as good at 132 pds. also. I mean did that what almost 10 pds make her smaller or just 123 pds? Is it about what the scale says or what size pants we where or how do we even feel at a certain weight? These are questions that should be asked. I remember always dieting and trying to get as small as I could and never feeling all that great as far as self esteem went. I am heavier now but very healthy and fit. Think about people.
Posted by Deborah E on 04/03/2009 @ 03:47PM PT
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I thought it was inspiring! (and I read the entire article.)
She looks fantastic - good for her!!!
This is what freedom is all about. She did the work, she deserves the credit.
She's not anorexic and 1700 calories a day is nothing of the kind. She did drop to 1300 just before the shoot - still not anorexic levels.
So what if she did it for aesthetic reasons. What is wrong with that, for whatever reason she did it. She is at a much healthier weight, she feels better about herself...
She wanted change - she worked for it and got what she wanted.
Why the harping? This IS change.org isn't it?
I don't get it.
Posted by KC Frantzen on 04/03/2009 @ 04:31PM PT
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I think Valerie looks great too. Its not harping its when things are taken too far is what this is about. 1700 calories can be low depending on how much you are exercising. It can be fine depending on the level of activity. I don't think she looks anorexic at all. She does look great. She did it. NO arguement there. But just look at all the harping that one actress got for gaining 10 pds. That is ludicrous. You do look heavier in pictures and camera also. its about the bikini disorder. And I had it in my 20's. A lot of women suffer from it and that is not good. I don't know if Valerie personally has that disorder its more about the female population. I think thats what this is all about. What is normal for the average person? Not an actress who can afford a dietician and personal trainers. Also us average people don't get airbrushed before we head to the pool or beach.
Posted by Deborah E on 04/03/2009 @ 05:06PM PT
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all you women should just get over the fact that you've inhaled too many super size me's and do what Valerie did....
go on an extreme diet
Posted by john shaw on 04/03/2009 @ 05:08PM PT
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While I understand the writers perspective in light of her own experiences...I'm sorry guys...
I am INSPIRED.
Posted by Kyra Echols on 04/03/2009 @ 06:44PM PT
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There has been a lot of study about the range within which body fat and conditioning supports our ability to be active, engaged and contributing to your own and others’ lives. There seems to be little doubt that when we fall outside that range, either up or down, there are trade-offs that may reduce the quality of our lives. This is information that can help us make choices.
What saddens and frustrates me about the tenor of much of the discussion here is the unspoken assumption that how much you weigh, how you have gained and/or lost weight and how much exercise you get is a moral, right/wrong, good/bad, blame/deserve issue. I highly value people choosing unprocessed, high nutrient, sustainably grown, fresh food, eating as much or as little as their activity level and age require, and moving their bodies at least as much as necessary to strengthen circulation, muscles and get their physical systems moving. The more we can make those choices, the more vital our entire community. Quality of life goes down when we carry so much or so little body fat and are so out of shape that it is difficult to go hiking with friends, dance, garden, focus on tasks, participate in sports, and experience eating as a simple activity for nutrition and community. I also do not judge people on the choices they make around these issues. We swim in a sea of only marginally healthful and outright unhealthful food choices. And I am not talking here about the occasional celebratory meal where we enjoy on rare occasions what we would normally not eat. I happen to be fortunate to live where there are farmers’ markets and food stores that (for a higher price) make healthy eating a bit easier. And even then, I must read labels, check fat content and heaven help me if I am out and about at mealtime and only have time for a quick bite. The choices plummet to nearly zero. When I am really lucky, I can get a (non-organic, fumigated, waxed and possibly genetically modified) apple and some string cheese from bovine growth hormone, antibiotic laced milk. When it is this challenging, far be it from me to criticize either myself or others on the basis of some “jiggly bits” or on how many pounds up or down. They make a difference, but not to our value as human beings. So I celebrate everyone who has developed workable strategies that support healthful eating and activity. I choose not to assign moral worth to people based on their size. I celebrate anyone whose life has been improved by diet and life-style changes.
Posted by Janette Daniel-Whit... on 04/03/2009 @ 06:51PM PT
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Thank you Janette. Not all women who gain weight eat McDonalds. that was just rude. The other issue I have with all this that has not been mentioned is Valerie is close to menopausel yrs or even could be in perimenopause. Let me tell you, you can gain weight during this time even if working out and watching your diet. Its a tough time for a lot of women. While some women can cruze by during this time others may not be so lucky. That concerns me also that such extremness is done during that phase of life. Not that I know if Valerie is in that stage but at 48 she is close to it. But see we are not aloud to discuss that part of the picture now are we?
Posted by Deborah E on 04/03/2009 @ 07:11PM PT
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I found many of the comments posted here to be very depressing. As someone who had a trim figure until I had to take a medication that has weight gain as a side effect, I was horrified to learn first-hand how the overweight are treated in our society. We do not have the same visceral reaction to people who do not wear helmets when they ride bikes or seat belts when they are in a car but we are so judgemental in the name of health if someone has too many//too full fat cells to please us. I can't think of anything more invasive than judging someone for the contents of something that are actually under their own skin. I want to know what Valerie has done with her life artistically/intellectually/socially/emotionally, and what her future plans might be. I see human beings as more than pieces of meat. And because of this, I feel like a complete alien in this culture.
Posted by Beep Beep on 04/03/2009 @ 08:43PM PT
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One very important fact that a lot of people tend to overlook when these types of articles are published is that a thin person can be just as unhealthy as an obese person. Being heavy does not always equal unhealthy.
The most important thing that people need to do with themselves regarding weight is to consult with medical professional - a doctor or nutritionist, for example - not anonymous idiots on the internet.
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/03/2009 @ 08:51PM PT
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I think it is great Valerie wanted to lose the weight, and she did it. This article makes a good point about the drop from 132 to 123 for the photo-shoot, as others have noted. But, on the whole it is negative article, designed to enable and discourage. The proof is the phase near the end:
"It supports the cliché that ... there is always room for improvement."
This is denying that there is always room for improvement. Of course there is! Do not allow this article to enable you to remain overweight, and unhealthy, if you are! Find your own way to eat right, and keep active, but DO IT!
Posted by Chris Deckrow on 04/04/2009 @ 01:39AM PT
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Consider that as recently as 25 years ago, and for ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY before that, children and adolescents (and adults for that matter) regularly encountered incidental nudity. In elementary school, children frequently swam naked (gender separated in my fathers school). Starting in junior high (a time during which it is extremely beneficial to see many nude people to inform your own ideas about the human body) they showered together after gym class. If they participated in sports, they also showered together. If they went to a public pool or gym, they would certainly encounter nude people in the lockerroom and showers. By the time they reached 18, most people had seen dozens and dozens of regular people nude.
Today? Most people reach 18 never having seen more than a handful of people nude. No nude swimming, no showering after gym, no showering after sports practice. Incidental nudity has been completely removed from the world of children and adolescents.
The parental approach of "better safe than sorry" is destroying the young. In general, media images have far, far, far less impact than people commonly give them credit for. But in the case of body image, since they have absolutely no frame of reference to compare to, the way the brain works makes it so that they adopt the images in the media as a standard. If they had significant experience seeing normal people naked, the images in the media would be perceived as as fantastical as any flying superhero and would have little effect on them. But today, parents and society abuse children severely by neglecting their development. Parents and society act like children mature simply as a matter of course, just a matter of getting older and having good nutrition. This could not be further from the truth. Absence of experience prevents brain development. Intense personal experiences are what the brain evolved to develop from. This is why children and adolescents are driven to risky behavior - they require it to grow into a functional adult. This is why children and adolescents want to see people naked - they require it to even have a chance of developing a rational body image.
Because they have been so severely sheltered and overparented, people reach out to the only resource available to them, the media. And what do they find in the media? Not people. The things shown in the media are not people who exist. They are edited and manipulated and the images do not represent a realistic person. How could anyone expect people to grow up with a reasonable body image when bodies are one of the things parents and society exert tremendous effort to prevent them from experiencing?
Posted by Dustin Rodriguez on 04/04/2009 @ 01:55AM PT
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I do not want to shower publicly as an adult, let alone as a child. It would make me feel vulnerable, insecure, and uncomfortable. All because something used to be done one way however many years ago, doesn't make it right.
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/07/2009 @ 06:53AM PT
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How sad, Taco. If you had showered naked with your peers as a kid, you wouldn't feel so vulnerable doing so as an adult. In many countries of the world, being naked or nearly naked on the beach, no matter how old or even if one's body has some fat on it, is considered normal. We have sexualized and objectified bodies to the point we can't admit that they are all different, they all age, and we all have them.
Posted by Mindy Machanic on 04/09/2009 @ 11:35AM PT
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So I see that I have no reason to worry.... I'm only thirty, but I'm already very fat and I don't care. I simply don't wear bikinis, mini skirts, etc. Now I'm glad to discover that obsessive slimming is a disorder. I don't even try to lose weight, so I have no disorder of that kind. :-)
Posted by Teresa Wlosowicz on 04/04/2009 @ 02:50AM PT
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The photo sends a strong and deplorable message re: what motivates women to do what they do: White European cultural standards of beauty, and white patriarchal expectations of what women should be. I see no problem with women wanting to be fit and healthy. But, to appear in a bikini on the cover of a magazine? Lots of negative cultural and societal factors engineering that one.
Posted by M W on 04/04/2009 @ 04:10AM PT
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Solve three problems in one - cycle! Keep fit, skip the traffic jams and do your bit for the environment! It is so obvious I don't know why more people don't cycle.
Posted by Elaine Baker on 04/04/2009 @ 08:49AM PT
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I agree about the dialogue around purification and weight (particularly for women.) I also agree about the strangeness of defining "sexy" in a 50 year-old woman in terms of her "bikini body." However, as many others have posted, it is NOT "normal" to be overweight just becasue one is middle-aged. And I say that as a middle-aged person who is overweight myself!
Why counter one set of unhealthy societal memes (sexism) with another (acceptance that the entire population is sliding into obesity, beginning with the children)? Also interesting is that the bikini body she displays is not the muscular body of the athlete - a state that gets left out in this whole fat/thin discussion. (It even gets left out by the medical profession in the continued use of BMI, which does not differentiate between the heavy, muscled athlete and the fat person.)
This conversation reminds me of the ad that appears here in San Francisco wherein a stressed-out stockbroker gets medical marijuana prescription. Great. Pothead AND stress case; two vices in one.
Posted by Barbara Saunders on 04/04/2009 @ 09:01AM PT
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You know Michael see this is the problem. I lost 25 pds. I look pretty good. so what if the scale does not say 123 pds. Your only going to have a partner based on what the scale says? that is damn sad. She can be a total bitch but who cares. My breast certainly don't lie next to me either cause I am not 123 pds. I doubt that Valeries did at 170 either. I agree we should not be overweight that is not my arguement. As a women in perimenopause i can tell you its harder to stay resonably thin. Again this factor is not considered. And using a 1700 calorie diet could do more harm as the hormones affect insulin and water retention big time. The arguement is not that we should stay overweight or that kids should be overweight. But people should not go to the extreme to look good either. Thats it. Again moderation. People hate that word it seems. I think Valerie did an excellent job in moderation to get down to 132. But for this bikini body i think it was taken to extreme. I know i did it in my 20's. Was I ever happy after doing these extreme things to myself NO! When is it ever good enough.? I don't think if your under stress you should be given pot to cope that is just dumb. How did this get into the conversation?
Posted by Deborah E on 04/04/2009 @ 10:43AM PT
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So we finally recognize that being fat is a problem, and being thinner is better.
I love the comments, "it must be airbrushed", "it has got to be unhealthy to lose that much weight", etc.
Fact is, that diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, and a number of other health problems are all related to being overweight. And when you do exercise, some people ridicule you for being some sort of a "fanatic".
Yes, 40, and 50, and even 60 year women can be very sexy (I know, I happen to be married to one of them). And then perhaps then we would need less Viagra. But then, the drug companies would never want that to happen!!!
Posted by GMan H on 04/04/2009 @ 10:46AM PT
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Please! We are so obsessed with youth culture and being thin we are sick. American women need to be more like German women - "the larger the woman, the smaller the bikini."
Certainly if morbid obesity is damaging a woman's health she might lose weight under medical supervision, but not by self-starvation, anorexia or bulimia.
Posted by M. J. Mullins on 04/04/2009 @ 10:56AM PT
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I personally can't believe this is even an 'issue' where Women's Rights are concerned. Right now, in Pakistan, the Zinna Laws are throwing Rape victims into prison for being 'adulteresses'. That's an issue, a dire one at that.
Meanwhile, Valerie Bertinelli is in great shape, and that's a 'disorder' of some sort. According to most of the comments, the true disorder--the life-threatening one--is obesity. (And anyone could beat it simply by eating proteins separately from carbohydrates.)
Women may receive endless cultural conditioning about dieting and weight loss, but that does not oblige them to buy into it. You don't hear men crying foul over the amount of "six pack abs" messages broadcast at them.
Posted by Ken Kupstis on 04/04/2009 @ 11:00AM PT
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Clearly you don't understand much about obesity. Not everyone can overcome it by "simply" changing their diet.
So all because women are being treated poorly in Pakistan, that means we can't discuss or be upset about this Bertinelli issue? People should be concerned about Women's Rights as a whole, up to and including small ones like these. It doesn't have to be dramatic and abusive for it to be unfair and unnecessary.
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/07/2009 @ 06:59AM PT
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Also, your comment about men not "crying foul" about messages directed to them was extremely sexist.
You have no right to comment on Women's Rights issues when you clearly couldn't care less about them.
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/07/2009 @ 07:06AM PT
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I really appreciate all the comments, thank you to everyone who is participating in this conversation.
But I do think one thing is being overlooked. My first reaction to this piece was not about Valerie Bertinelli's individual need to lose, or not lose, weight. It was about the way that weight loss itself was portrayed - as a necessary step towards beauty - and how the thin ideal was glorified. This myth is perpetrated to millions of women through a glossy, photoshopped, pervasive fairytale. It stares back at us from our coffee tables, in waiting rooms and at the grocery store as constant reminder of what we should consider important. It is not about health, it is all about aesthetics.
Should we - as women, as feminists, as a society - put up with such an insidious cultural message?
Posted by Julie Neumann on 04/04/2009 @ 11:55AM PT
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I agree with all points Julie.
But let's face it, the media does NOT shine a light on women of accomplishment who BTW have maintained healthy weight and life styles.
The focus must change and the change always begins with us.
Any one can loose weight but it takes commoin sense and a change life style habits to keep it off.
And then, we all contend with some degree of narcisssim.
I look better so i feel better and I want to maintain what i have as long as i can, and the only choice is healthy eating, lots of fun activity, pursuing my dream and passions, because living life to the full is MUCH MORE than about food!
Posted by eileen fleming on 04/04/2009 @ 12:59PM PT
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well when you put it like that I totally agree. If you meant this as a sample of an overall negative image thing then you are right. I just feel that Valerie Burtonelli doesn't deserve to be the current mascott for societies sadistic thin ideals for women. She may have hints of falling prey to it, People magazine exploited that as per usual. But she lost unhealthy body fat intelligently. As for her bikini, those true feminists would argue she is proud of herself and it's her right as a women to show off what she's proud of. In fact, victimizing her makes any feminist argument moot. You're falling into the socially intolerant views of looks by attacking a one in a million case where she did it by the book: healthy, slowly, and proudly.
Posted by Lauren Marie on 04/07/2009 @ 09:35PM PT
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Yes I agree totally Julie its not about Valerie. Its about the message here. WE have to loose it to be beautiful? Or way a certain number to be beautiful? Sorry Ken but men are not targeted as much as women about how much they weigh or don't weight. I can't even rember an article about a male actor who lost a bunch of weight or gained weight. And yes they do but I never see it headlined hardly ever! Its not on People magazine thats for sure. Maybe how some male actor got in better shape for a specific movie role. But thats it. Now in the last few weeks I have seen at least 4 actresses on major magazines and weight issues. Whether it be they are overweight by 10 pds or look too thin. Do the math its all there. It is a cultural message geared towards women mostly.
Posted by Deborah E on 04/04/2009 @ 12:07PM PT
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No I have seen many a people magazine showcasing men who've gained a few.
Posted by Lauren Marie on 04/07/2009 @ 09:37PM PT
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The way to attain and stay at a healthy weight is to exert more energy/calories than one takes in.
That equates to 'working out' and a reason why people fail to develop an exercise regime they stick with, is not due to lack of will, but lack of love for the activity.
"Working out" will not work out; until it becomes a time to play.
I wtote an e-book that addresses this topic-and much more!
So, That was 54… is about how i am in the best shape of my life in the midst of all that goes with mid life!
PS-the photo on my website was taken in 2008 and was only airbrushed to even out my wrinkles and sparkle up my eyes.
I am just under 5'4" and maintain between 117-123 by eating ONLY when i am hungry and I LOVE choclate! But i have learned i must control THE AMOUNTS!!!
Living life to the full takes hard work and means playing hard and thinking deep!
xoxe
Posted by eileen fleming on 04/04/2009 @ 12:38PM PT
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PS-I first saw the magazine at the grocery check out and I wondered, why is loosing weight considered such news, when people are starving?
PSS-have been to Israel-Palestine 6 times since June 2005.
I founded the website WeAreWideAwake.org three weeks after my first trip and have written two books on the topic of Israel Palestine.
BTW-just thinking about people who are being bombed and sanctioned in my name-because I am a USA Taxpayer-works great as an appetite suppresant and the side effects are you are moved to action-to do something and try and help alleviate anothers suffering.
Posted by eileen fleming on 04/04/2009 @ 12:46PM PT
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I agree with you Eileen. I use to run everyday because I grew to love it. Lot's happened and now I am back to walking and I love it. My response to Debbie as she states that we don't see men on the cover of magazines talking about their weight gain and yes that's true, but how many men do you know are on a diet? I can only think of one person, the rest of the people I know that are on a diet are women! I've been married twice and both of my husbands were fit and still are fit and stayed that way throughout their lives. I have always fluctuated up and down as much as 25 lbs now, and again back to work for me. I can't blame my eating on anyone else but me. Food can be an addiction and when I overeat I seem to be trying to fill up something that's missing. When I am healthy, I don't live to eat, I eat to live and feel so much better about my life and my body. Yes, my husband loves me a lot, but I love myself a lot more when I am fit and healthy. I get sick less when I am fit and feel more alive! For me that's something to definitely strive for, to be the best me I can in this life.
Posted by Janet Elizabeth Geren on 04/04/2009 @ 02:11PM PT
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As a 56 year old woman who stays in shape by working out and being vegetarian, I can tell you that an average person CAN have a bikini body at 56. Americans are getting fatter and fatter and using any excuse to stay that way, even though all good medical advice tells us being even moderately overweight shortens our lifespans, reduces quality of life, and taxes our health care system. My body looks every bit as good as Valerie's, and I'm proud to wear a bikini, too. And I don't have "self-image issues."
Posted by Deborah Cottrell on 04/04/2009 @ 05:49PM PT
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Baby BABY!! Are you single, and/or anywhere near Las Vegas? I've been known to poach some "Cougars" in my time...
God bless ya!
K.K. (shoKKers@aol.com)
Posted by Ken Kupstis on 04/05/2009 @ 08:57PM PT
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Good for you.
Posted by Lauren Marie on 04/06/2009 @ 12:55PM PT
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Deborah: Kudos for staying in shape. I am also a vegetarian who loves almost all kinds of foods! Now I am walking and cutting back on what I eat as I feel so much better when I am fit.
Posted by Janet Elizabeth Geren on 04/04/2009 @ 06:30PM PT
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Everything is better when you are fit.
When we are in balance; body, spirit and mind we are the healthiest, happiest and will look our best.
I am also convinced-by life experiences- that our 50's can be our fittest and best decade.
Once upon a time i was an athletic skinny kid who just prior to puberty got chubby and then began a cycle of yo-yo dieting through my early 20's.
I once considered Popeye's onion rings a vegetable and screwdrivers were my preferred drink. I worked, went to school and partied at night, but never got any exercise.
Not until I got sick and tired of feeling sick and tired and looking like a blimp, did I change my ways and I have never slipped back into bad habits, for feeling strong and being healthy is life at its best.
Today, I sip on POM cut with diet tonic and lots of ice-but the vodka is only occasionally and i eat moderate amounts of fresh foods that are low fat and nutrient dense and do Pilate's, Rollerblade, walk, swim and write my heart out on the world wide web and in books.
Life is short and we are meant to enjoy it, and Americans preoccupation with food, looks and the superficials is what needs to be examined and changed.
The media could be a vehicle of enlightenment if they would report on regular people who are working for the betterment of humanity and quit all the focusing on those who are famous just because they look good.
Far more value to humanity is the satisfied life spent seeking the betterment for others rather than just building a frame that will turn to dust, from which it came.
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http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Posted by eileen fleming on 04/04/2009 @ 07:22PM PT
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I am a bit shocked at the number of people who have excessive fat storage in their bodies. Almost ever study shows this to be highly detrimental to health and longevity, as bad as tobacco abuse in shortening lives. We make laws against drug use, but we allow food manufacturers to put out anything for a buck!
Posted by John Curotto on 04/05/2009 @ 07:52AM PT
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My apologies to everyone for being a bit off topic, but Michael has spurned me on. Just for the sake of establishing credibility with you, Michael, my 46-year old breasts are still firmly planted on my chest, but then, I never had children, and I apparently have good genes. One was within my control, the other not so much.
I'm amused that you dropped a few pounds so women will find you attractive, yet you post a picture of yourself with a cancer stick hanging out of your mouth! If you hadn't told us you're 52, I would have guessed more around 65. No doubt the weight loss couldn't address the damage done through smoking, but then, aesthetics don't have as much of an impact on how men see themselves, does it?
And therein lays the crux of the issue, in my opinion. Men, of all ages and level of attractiveness, seem to think that having a penis between their legs qualifies them as infinitely desirable to all women, while women must conform to a strict standard of beauty regardless of age. Maybe it's the fact you can hold your sex in your hand and feel powerful while doing it that all women must surely suffer the envy of not being able to do so themselves; hence, your built-in desirability.
Just a wild guess, of course, based on the frequent observation that some of the most loathsome men, both physically and mentally, have an over-bloated sense of themselves, as if their heads swell in direct relation and proportion to their erections.
Posted by Cynthia Yarrow on 04/05/2009 @ 09:24AM PT
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Well said.
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/07/2009 @ 07:13AM PT
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Thanks for such a well-written, intelligent article. As someone who is recovered from anorexia and compulsive exercise, and now works in the field of eating disorders, I speak from first-hand experience that this "Bikini Body Disorder" is so deeply ingrained in women in our culture that even health and fitness experts defend it. The more we can educate women of all ages to recognize that health and wellness are not based in fitting into a size 6 two-piece, the more we can help end the devastating effects of a culture obsessed with thinness.
Peach FriedmanAuthor, "Diary of an Exercise Addict"
Posted by Peach Friedman on 04/05/2009 @ 10:07AM PT
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Our major concern for women doesn't really seem to be their health, but rather their all having uniform bodies free of rolls, bulges, or fluff of any kind. How thin is thin enough for Valerie Bertinelli? Who can live with that level of training and diet outside a very controlled environment? And should we want to? Doesn't it seem that a healthy body should derive from healthy practices that can be maintained over a lifetime? Would all these resulting healthy bodies look the same?
Posted by Sharon Bookwalter on 04/05/2009 @ 11:23AM PT
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To be honest though I have seen a lot of male actors gain weight and be less that looking in shape but no one comments about hardly ever. Do you ever here so and so male actor put on 10 pds. Yeah my husband is reasonably fit also. Men have more muscle tone, but he does gain in his stomach if he does watch himself. Especially now that he is 45. It does concern me. My stomach is flatter than his and I am sure I weigh more. This is not an excuse to be fat. No one here has said that. I don't get why that keeps coming up. We are taking about the media attention geared at women mostly for being whatever pds too much or too little. Why is it this way? Kudos to you Cynthia. My point also. I do weigh more that when younger but certainly do not have sagging breast. I use a system called CRT Skin Brushing. My husband has even commented that I have perky pecs lol! I have never seen 2-3 major magazines have a male actor on the cover and the shock that he has gained weight and need to work out blah blah. I yes i have seen the male actors gain weight a lot and be out of shape too. But its no headline news thats for sure. There is a bias here and its not healthy at all.
Posted by Deborah E on 04/05/2009 @ 12:01PM PT
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As a 51 year old guy, Hat's off to Valerie. She looks great.
To the critics, get a life. It reminds me of the pesky "recovering alcoholic" who nags me when I have a glass of wine or the person who had an uncle die of cancer when I smoke my one or two cigars a year.
Just because the the author has issues that commingle with weight issues; does not automatically make her an authority on anyone else's desire to lose weight. recovering anorexics and bulimics have other issues not always associated with a 48 year old woman wanting to lose weight and get back into shape. Just because they have issues does not give them a right to project them on the rest of the world.
Leave us alone.
and to the "obviously air-brushed" crowd, can you show proof of your allegation? Until then,
Leave us alone.
Posted by Jim Holmes on 04/05/2009 @ 02:25PM PT
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Who is this "us" you speak of? People who are thin and confident about their bodes? I'm thin and confident about mine, and yet I find this article absurd. Imagine that.
Can you provide proof that it is not air-brushed?
Posted by Gabrielle B on 04/07/2009 @ 07:17AM PT
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what's wrong with making the most of your body? for her height, she was overweight. she is now a healthy weight and is giving herself the best shot at living a longer life.
Posted by Valerie Chalcraft on 04/05/2009 @ 04:10PM PT
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Nothing is wrong with it. Its the cultural bias over weight specifically at women that we have to weigh this or that or be this or that size to be good enough. And it gets out of hand. I don't condone unhealthy lifestyles either. Its when a good thing is taken too far. I think the topic has gone way off so its time to get out of here also. No one seems to get the point.
Posted by Deborah E on 04/05/2009 @ 05:55PM PT
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Way off track is an underestimate.
Posted by Janet Elizabeth Geren on 04/05/2009 @ 08:30PM PT
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My post regarding Michael S Kropnak was removed as a personal “attack,” whilst I accept this, I need to ask why Michael’s misogynistic post attacking all women is still there for us go gaze on? Please, in the name of consistency complain about this man’s posts as a personal affront to women and have it removed.
If my comments regarding this man needed to be censored, then please be consistent, my "attack" on him was in defense of and for the women who post on this forum, and received thanks from some here for doing so. So I personally find Micheal S Kropinak post offensive. Please consider complaining about this man's post.
Posted by T C on 04/06/2009 @ 06:20AM PT
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Darren, I'm the person who complained about your vulgarities. They were not appropriate and added nothing to the discussion. I said so in a "Reply" to yours, which reply seems also to have been removed since it was attached to yours. The "authorities" apparently agreed. Vulgar name-calling and personal attacks simply aren't conducive to rational thought. You continue to attack Michael as a "misogynist," but if you check his profile page you can see that he was once an advocate for abused women, so your emotionalism appears to have eradicated your rationalism, if it ever did indeed exist. Further, it is my opinion that your adolescent reaction of "Let's get him, too!" is off-base and illustrative of a need to mature. But I won't call you names.
Posted by Donald Williams on 04/07/2009 @ 02:57PM PT
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Awesome!
Posted by Rhea Holland on 04/06/2009 @ 08:27AM PT
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I think Valerie Bertinelli is a beautiful woman, and also was beautiful before she lost the weight.
I'm happy for her that she lost some weight as it will probably help her to live a healthier life. I also think there are plenty of healthy women who don't fit the bikini-body profile stereotype, and I think other people seem to have a field day judging them.
I look forward to the day that we can stop judging women for physical attributes, and a 48-year-old woman who loses weight won't feel compelled to be objectified in skimpy clothing on the cover of a national magazine in order to prove her self-worth.
It is interesting that the majority of "get-off-your-butt-you-lazy-fat person"-type comments in this post are made by men, although there have been a few shining exceptions to this. I'm not sure why some people get off by talking to other people this way, but they sound like angry immature people.
The fact is, that people put on weight for many reasons, be it poor diet, lack of exercise, hormone imbalance, food chemicals and additives, medications, heredity, etc., etc. It doesn't matter why. And it's pretty imperious and rude to think that just because you are a thin person, that you hold the magic key that will work for every other person to lose weight. How quickly we judge.
The underlying issue was pointed out very well by Michael, the rude, nasty person who wrote earlier about women's body weight and sagging breasts. He, like most of our society, bases his opinion on each woman by the size and shape of her body, and is apparently too shallow to look beyond that to the person beneath.
It doesn't personally matter to me what Valerie Bertinelli looks like. What matters to me is that her body size and shape are shoved into our faces as what we're "supposed" to look like. If you want the truth about how the media is destroying young women and girls, go to the Dove Campaign for Real Beauty on the Dove soap website. Women are constantly bombarded with the message that they need to look a certain way, smell a certain way, be a certain way, in order to be acceptable. This is not gender equality, it's misogyny.
Bottom line is, once you're dead, nobody will care how you looked. They will remember how you treated other people. True health and beauty is in self-acceptance, regardless of body size or shape.
Posted by Romy Carver on 04/06/2009 @ 09:52AM PT
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I can only echo the words of Marcia on this post Romy; along with a bloody well done mate, cheers,thanks for the great input!
Posted by T C on 04/08/2009 @ 09:48AM PT
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Romy, you have summed it up! Congratulations!
Posted by Marcia McGuire on 04/06/2009 @ 11:04AM PT
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Thank you Marcia, I'm just tired of people being mean to one another, it's unnecessary.
Posted by Romy Carver on 04/06/2009 @ 12:08PM PT
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Have you guys heard of Health At Every Size?
If not, I encourage you to check out this new article from the APA's Monitor on Psychology. I wish I read it before I wrote this post, it would have helped me clarify the issues involved in People's portrayal of Valerie Bertinelli. Here's an excerpt:
"The aim is to empower women to claim their natural body size and enjoy the full spectrum of life through counseling that employs research about what fosters good health and what doesn't. For starters, 'Health at Every Size' takes the focus off weight, since research shows that diets often fail and that yo-yo dieting can lead to additional weight gain and health problems, Burgard says. It also acknowledges that weight is an unhealthy preoccupation for many women across the weight spectrum.
'A huge tenet of [the model] is weight neutrality,' Burgard says. 'We're not against people losing weight. We're against the focus being on the pursuit of weight loss.'"
Read more here: http://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/04/weight.html.
Posted by Julie Neumann on 04/06/2009 @ 05:23PM PT
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Youre intentions got through, though I have to say in hindsight you could have clarified your point better. But you did open this great dialogue and now you have input and the APA article for a future follow-up blog :)
Posted by Lauren Marie on 04/07/2009 @ 09:40PM PT
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The key is "natural body size", emphasis on natural - what people would weigh if they ate well, managed stresses for the cortisol level impacts, managed hormone problems like low thyroid, and were physically active at a moderate level.
It is not the same as using bad genes, hormones, stress, and preference for being sedentary (I admit to having to overcome many of these and working hard at it) to excuse morbid obesity. Losing weight when you are 20-30% (or more) over a "healthy" weight for your height is not the same as focusing on the pursuit of weight loss, it is focusing on the pursuit of a healthy weight and healthy life! Weight neutrality in the APA's statement is not an excuse for weighing 300 pounds - unless you are a 6'6" tall athlete and it is all muscle!!!
Posted by Mindy Machanic on 04/09/2009 @ 11:30AM PT
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If you want to talk about health and sickness, the sickest example of the mentality promoted by this article, that of all the women I know, all shapes and sizes, none would tell you they are happy with their body, the miraculous vessels that carry each of us about. A ridiculous amount of emotional energy and brain power is wasted by women obsessing about their weight. What's the carbon foot print of that??
Posted by Julian Small on 04/06/2009 @ 05:47PM PT
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Considering the mass obesity problem in America, maybe we need to have more body issues. It may not be particularly healthy to drop a bunch of weight quickly, but it is also not healthy to be overweight and obese. This country has a bigger problem with obesity than anorexia. Even the image ideal in society doesn't say you have to be perfect, it mainly says you should be fit, which most doctors will agree with.
This is a nice subject for people to talk about and everyone can agree and everyone can give themselves a little pat on the back for agreeing, but until you start being attracted to fat people than you are just patting yourself on the back for speaking a lie.
Posted by matthew hunter on 04/07/2009 @ 07:13AM PT
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See if you can talk to the women you know about weight, body image, and how they feel about it, then tell me I am wrong.. Even the ones most would call skinny or normal think there is too much fat somewhere. It's absurd.
I like to see some weight, don't like model skinny bony.
Posted by Julian Small on 09/05/2009 @ 04:38PM PT
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And when I say obsessing about weight, I mean they are feeling bad about weight that may or may not be a health problem, but that does not mean those that may be unhealthy are motivated into doing something about it, only just that they are spending a hell of a lot of time feeling bad about themselves.
Posted by Julian Small on 09/05/2009 @ 04:55PM PT
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The article and many of the comments here make it clear that women's bodies are considered to be public property, to be judged and found wanting by everyone that looks. No wonder women develop eating disorders and hate themselves.
Posted by P S on 04/08/2009 @ 07:04AM PT
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Thank you so much for posting this article. I am constantly appalled by the covers (as well as the articles...) of People Magazine. You have said everything I've ever wanted to say about a multitude of their articles/covers. THANK YOU!
Posted by Megan Tebay on 04/08/2009 @ 01:42PM PT
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Speaking of sexism, why are the shadow photos of people who don't have their own pix with their profiles only men's profile shadows? Who decided that was fair? Why not random? Why not inanimate objects, or animals, or plants?
Posted by Mindy Machanic on 04/10/2009 @ 07:46AM PT
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I think that can just as easily be a woman with short hair. Stop grabbing on to any excuse you can use to complain about. Also, it's not an object, animal, or plant because it is a human avatar meant to be a representation of the poster and objects, animals, and plants are not posting in this thread. For my two cents, my girlfriend is beautiful, but I would think that whether or not she worked out and put make-up on. To be honest, I can't stand it when she takes so long just to look good when we go out. A good guy that cares about his spouse/partner etc. doesn't worry about things like that. What women fail to realize is that men can tell when women are being fake about their image or they are trying too hard to look like someone they are not and it's a turn off. It is mostly women that judge other women with the occasional male who is just looking for a quick lay, not the kind of guy you probably want anyways.
Posted by John Smith on 04/14/2009 @ 05:27AM PT
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If she doesnt want to look like a cow then maybe you guys should follow her example. If you want to look good don't give it up just so some fat ass who doesn't want to work out and stop eating can feel good about themselves.
Posted by Fake Name on 04/14/2009 @ 05:32PM PT
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In regards to all of the comments about meat in the United States', I feel as a scientist I should clarify some things. I am a poultry scientist and currently applying to veterinary school and I can honestly say that poultry has never been fed or injected with hormones or steroids. It is illegal and not cost efficient at all. Think about the thousands of birds that are produced by each individual farm; each of these birds would have to be individually injected with hormones or steroids daily. Hormones and steroids cannot be fed to livestock because they are proteins which are degraded in stomach acid. The same thing applies to beef cattle and pigs. And if you were curious, organic and free-range grown livestock have more salmonella contamination. Just because you think it's healthier, it's not.
Posted by E C on 05/18/2009 @ 07:53PM PT
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that's a great-looking body for a 48-year old! hope that she will be an inspiration to all of us especially when it comes to taking care of our body. just because we grow old doesn't mean that we take for granted our health. it is actually imperative for us to take care of ourselves as we enter the geezerhood!
Posted by anansi boy on 06/14/2009 @ 05:45AM PT
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Again I have read the comment and bailed out on this topic earlier as it got way sidetracked. Its about what is healthy not Valerie and how womens bodies are such public display. You never see men actors shooting pictures on how they lost 30 pds etc or whatever. Its sexist bottom line! OH the closest I have seen was the guy that played Wolverine for the X-men but it was all about how he got his abs down. Still that article was completely different than when a woman actress/model whatever looses weight. I see alot of bias comments from some of the men on here too about how great Valerie looks. No one said she didn't look good or that loosing the weight was bad. We are talking about the message of extremeness that is being perpetuated here. I guess if your not a woman your not going to relate to how we are constantly scrutinized about what size we where or what the scale says. As if that is all we are about?
Posted by Deborah E on 09/06/2009 @ 10:53PM PT
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