Women's Rights

Is Digg Sexist?

Published December 22, 2008 @ 10:15AM PT

Is Digg Sexist? That is the question I've been asking myself ever since I started blogging about Women's Rights. And honestly - from what I've seen so far, the answer is yes.

For those who are not entrenched in the social media world, Digg.com is a social news sharing site where users submit content (video, articles, websites) and then vote up or down that content up based on interest. The site is known for its incredible ability to drive thousands of hits of traffic and help content go viral within the blogosphere. The site boasts a "democratic" nature as anyone can submit content. However, the stories that often voted up by the Digg community are based on a few key factors such as:

1. Who submitted it

2. When it was submitted

3. What the content is

The third requirement is the most important - content is king on Digg. But lately there has been a discussion about whether or not the content biases on the site should go unregulated - particularly when it comes to the sexist, misogynistic nature of comments left under stories that have anything remotely to do with feminism or women in general. (See this horrendous example here).

Not surprisingly, given my content, I have felt the wrath of the boys club on Digg.com. This week my piece, "Top Ten Moments of Feminism in 2008" accrued a mere 180 Diggs in a two-day period. As I watched the story climb, I also watched the commentators that Digg is notorious for come out and speak their minds:

Probablysucks: Feminism was never cool.

Cyrusuncc: 11. Making a sammich 12. Ironing my shirt 13. Cooking/Cleaning

alanr19: Feminism. lol. Aww that's precious. Now get me a beer, and while you're at it get your milkers out..

Mikbunn: This list just negated all progress women have made in the past year

Once I saw these comments get started, I immediately jumped into the thread and tried to balance out the commentary - only to get my remarks quickly buried. It was as if the boys club not only felt threatened by a female playing their social media sandbox, but wanted to do everything in their power to scare me away.

As the piece started to garner enough votes to make the story "Popular" - which usually requires about 150 votes or more - I noticed that users on Digg were simultaneously burying the article. As a result, while I did acquire a significant amount of votes, my piece never made the "Popular" page due to those who were burying the article, instead of voting it up. This is a simple explanation for the complicated Digg algorithm that gives certain votes more weight (active accounts) over others (less active accounts) - which in the end decides which story makes it to the top of any category.

In order to try and teach these boys a small lesson - I tried to pull what I'd like to call the "Motrin Moms" effect on them. I notified my fellow female bloggers and those in the progressive community about the thread and asked them join the thread and add positive comments. This effort helped generate more votes, push the article ahead, balance out the comment thread and effectively bury the sexist remarks. At the end of the day, I felt that in a small way, I had stopped misogyny in its tracks.

I am not alone in trying to speak out about the problematic users on Digg who try to intimidate, offend and thwart certain issues or ideas related to women from percolating to the top of the social news site. A few weeks ago, Saabira Chaudhuri remarked on her experience after she published the piece the "Most Influential Women in Web 2.0." She said that "the comments it elicited on Digg were unprecedented." In writing about the offensive comments, however, she got the attention of Digg's founder, Kevin Rose, who emailed her after she posted about it to say that his team was in the process of deleting any comments on this article that violate the site's terms of use.

It was her brave action that inspired my efforts this week and I hope that this experience can serve as an example to those who feel threatened as women in the online space, but want to do something to change it.

Editorial note: A summary of this experience is posted here: Digg Community Responds to Change.org CR Efforts 

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Comments (49)

  1. Nathaniel Whittemore

    The internet remains a many headed hydra where learning, knowledge sharing, and deeper relationships vie for supremacy with our most banal, boring, base, bad tendencies, but Jen, from a male blogger, you're kicking ass.

    Now I'm going to go Digg this. Err wait for a more active user, and vote for it...

    Posted by Nathaniel Whittemore on 12/22/2008 @ 10:21AM PT

  2. Dorothee Royal-Hedinger

    Thank you so much for jumping into this on Digg and thoughtfully analyzing the results. I've often privately grumbled about this phenomenon but it takes someone brave to really examine the role of sexism in social media. Bravo! (and now I will digg and comment it up!)

    Posted by Dorothee Royal-Hedin... on 12/22/2008 @ 11:42AM PT

  3. Ignatius Schwemmer

    You, my friend, are fallacious and inflammatory.  The only thing that is remotely interesting about your post is your incessant adherence to your confused, jumbled logic.  The people who comment on "Digg" have absolutely no correlation to "Digg" itself (I've never "Dugg" anything in my life, and your article told me what "Digg" was for the first time).  You commit a fallacy that most feminists commit: the fallacy of accident.  You apply your desire to find things that indicate oppression to something that isn't an indicator of oppression.  
    I entirely agree with the ideals of feminism.  There is definitely a systematic oppression that exists that is the result of patterns of thought that intellectual men created that impacts everyone who participates in such thought patterns, whether they recognize it or not.  I just can't accept unintelligent applications of feminism that make people who are smarter than I'll ever be, like Iris Young (and if you don't know who she is, then you need to stop posting your thoughts about feminism, because you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about), look comparable to me.  Articles like these are what makes feminists look laughable.  Well, since you've spear-headed your own cause, I suppose now is a good time to remind you that you're not Mrs. Ted Haggard.  You can always be thankful for that.  -Michael SchwemmerWisconsin

    Posted by Ignatius Schwemmer on 12/22/2008 @ 11:54AM PT

  4. Lise Benedetto

    I would have though Digg CEO Kevin Rose answered that question himself when he was forced to apologize for essentially being a drunken, sexist asshole last month.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=kevin+rose+domestic+voilence&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    Amusingly, I thought that was one of the less-offensive things he's said over the years.

    Posted by Lise Benedetto on 12/22/2008 @ 12:02PM PT

  5. Yeah right - Its like labelling entire country racists since a few of them do exist. A very very small portion of the digg community actually diggs from the upcoming section of the website and these inaccurate conclusions have been drawn from a very small sample. You need to GROW up.

    Posted by Digg Boss on 12/22/2008 @ 12:03PM PT

  6. Dorothee Royal-Hedinger

    Iris Young was actually my B.A. thesis advisor at the University of Chicago right before she died. I'm very glad to hear you are a fan, Ignatius.

    Posted by Dorothee Royal-Hedin... on 12/22/2008 @ 12:12PM PT

  7. May Evans

    I haven't used Digg for reasons like this ever since I found Mixx.com which is much more female, feminist and lgbt friendly.  I recommend it.

    Posted by May Evans on 12/22/2008 @ 12:38PM PT

  8. Ignatius Schwemmer

    I'm speechless.  Her work has influence my thinking in such a profound way; I can't look at literature, media, or anything in the world without a seething contempt for the structures of thought that have developed the average human mind like they have.  I am actually a little bit bashful now that I know that a student of hers is auditing my thoughts.  It's a real pleasure to have some vague, pseudo-discussion with you, however limited.  

    Posted by Ignatius Schwemmer on 12/22/2008 @ 12:44PM PT

  9. Lane Haygood

    The problem isn't that these douches are consciously trying to undermine feminism, a la, "Oh look, a woman with opinions!  Let's bash her!"  Most of them would probably say, in other contexts, that they support "equality." The problem is that many people that participate on Internet forums find it the only way they can socialize without fear of rejection, and so develop a persona that is free from the normal social conditioning that forces us to regulate what we say before we say it.  Hence, the anonymity provides a shield for them to flirt with saying "taboo" things, and they'll justify it with a bit of naïve libertarian political trickery that they're just refusing to "drink the Kool-Aid" or "be PC" because (the persona they've invented to live out their fantasies) they're iconoclasts.
    You'll see it on any forum that allows comments by mass users:  Digg, Fark, Livejournal, Reddit, Craigslist... you name it.  It's not that a particular site is or isn't sexist.  It's that our culture has so tied together the concepts of sexism and masculinity that men (and women, too) everywhere spout off these things in an attempt to "look cool" to the other Internetians.

    Posted by Lane Haygood on 12/22/2008 @ 01:48PM PT

  10. Will B

    This is such a troll post.  Digg is not Sexist.

    Posted by Will B on 12/22/2008 @ 01:55PM PT

  11. Bill Hodgson

    I agree with this specific analysis of comments on Digg - if Digg were a conversation in your front room - you wouldn't be sharing such a picture, nor making the sexist comments featured. The fact that this is on-line, allows this behaviour, the same way it's easy to write in emails things you wouldn't say to someone's face.

    If Digg is to appeal to a wider audience, the site needs to find a way to focus on mainstream views and topics, or else become a virtual "back street" unwelcome to a mainstream audience.

    Some of the content on Diggnation is squarely sexist too - Alex in particular making comments about other women whilst proudly advertising his engagement to Heather.  Somehow passing comment on women he would like to bang, Alex seems to miss the point of being committed to someone else.

    Posted by Bill Hodgson on 12/22/2008 @ 02:00PM PT

  12. david ...

    As Lane above noted, the problem isn't Digg itself, it's  the users. Most of the comments you are quoting seem to be more of a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing, or are just trying to bait you on (also called 'trolling'). It's apparent from your offense to these types of comments that you haven't been around the internets for all that long. If you had been, then you would know that the more fuss you raise about this sort of thing, the more backlash will be generated, whether it's genuine or not. You would also know that the best recourse is to ignore them completely. 

    Posted by david ... on 12/22/2008 @ 02:06PM PT

  13. B D

    The answer to your question is of course no. It's not Digg that is sexist, but those Digg readers who post the dumb comments. Just remember that the most frequent commenters on those kind of sites are the ones who spend their lives posting moronic comments because they have no other life. They are not representative of all society, at least that's the way I think about it. You get one idiot who posts a dumb comment and the rest follow him (yes, it's always him) like sheep.

    In the words of Terry Pratchett, the IQ of a mob is equal to the IQ of the least intelligent member divided by the number of members. If you want more extreme examples that prove this rule, try reading some of the comment threads on break.com.

    Posted by B D on 12/22/2008 @ 02:09PM PT

  14. D Spicer

    Well you see, the problem here isn't that Digg is sexist, many of us actually have a lot of respect for women. That aside, we will make comments like that because we think they're funny and apparently so does everyone else. When you go on there and display a complete lack of a sense of humor about it, then of course you are going to get buried. Lighten up.

    Posted by D Spicer on 12/22/2008 @ 02:12PM PT

  15. James Kint

    Its not really lets bash the womans opinion, its just the fact that there are more male's online them females, even though there are more females to males in the world. There are more woman educated, and I don't know that many females to males that are dedicated internet freaks.

    Posted by James Kint on 12/22/2008 @ 02:14PM PT

  16. Lisa Smolen

    People get very brave online, slinging insults that they probably wouldn't say to someone's face.  It makes me wonder if their wives, sisters, mothers, girlfriends, et al, knew they were saying these things what would happen? 

    Unfortunately, there are trolls everywhere, looking for places to just be as rude as possible. 

    Posted by Lisa Smolen on 12/22/2008 @ 02:14PM PT

  17. Ryan May

    While I am all for respecting women and find some comments offensive, I do believe that Digg or any other internet entity being "sexist" or something similar is a bit of a skewed view. Most of these entities are a sum of the users' input. What is happening here is the majority of the internet (or at the very least sites that seem "sexist") is being visited by a majority audience of males. I think that another part of it is that the internet offers a certain degree of anonymity so that comments that are disrespectful (whether towards women or other men) carry no reprecussion. I think it is the whole prank-call feel. They don't know who you are, so you can say whatever you want whether or not the person really feels that way may be something completely different.

    Posted by Ryan May on 12/22/2008 @ 02:15PM PT

  18. Morgan Evans

    I'd like to know the Digg demographic before agreeing or disagreeing with the article, but from what I can infer from being a regular digg user, is that it is overwhemingly male. This article isn't so much "is digg sexist?" as, "are men sexist" to which the answer is more often than not, yes.

    Posted by Morgan Evans on 12/22/2008 @ 02:19PM PT

  19. hector acosta

    Wait, you're telling me that pictures of hot girls become popular in the internet? Shocking!

    Posted by hector acosta on 12/22/2008 @ 02:19PM PT

  20. Jayson Elliot

    Digg is not only sexist, it's borderline racist, often homophobic, and generally has the politics of a sheltered suburban male in his late teens to early twenties who has read enough to feel intelligent, but hasn't lived enough to understand any of what he's heard.

    It's great for passing the time while looking for vaguely offbeat news stories or funny photos that will end up in your relatives' emails within a few weeks, but useless as an social news site for anyone but their core demographic.

    It's a shame, really. It started out as a great idea.

    Posted by Jayson Elliot on 12/22/2008 @ 02:20PM PT

  21. Morgan Evans

    I would also like to point out that the few who do comment on digg, do not represent "digg" as a whole. It would be impossible to moderate every single comment, and if the majority of people on digg feel this way, well then, that sucks, but it's not my place to tell people online what they should/should not believe. If you don't like the digg community, then just don't use digg.


    Posted by Morgan Evans on 12/22/2008 @ 02:23PM PT

  22. J S

    You are being aggressively ignorant and you don't have a clue about how the male culture works, do you?

    Read some threads besides your own and you will see that you were getting fair treatment. I'm not saying your treatment was nice or gentle or friendly; but in comparison to everyone else - it WAS fair.

    We are men and we are very hard on each other. It's our culture and if you want to play in this arena with us, you better toughen up and learn to take your lumps like everyone else. Don't demand to be treated equally; but not expect to have to pay the price to earn that equality because there is NOTHING equal about that.

    Let me reiterate that because it's important. You have to EARN your respect. You don't get a head start or special treatment because you are a woman and what you've done anywhere else doesn’t mean anything here.

    Posted by J S on 12/22/2008 @ 02:26PM PT

  23. Jaffa Cake

    Quit your whining girls and get back in your kitchens. Play time is over.

    Sheesh! Teach you to read and right and all you get is aspirations.

    Posted by Jaffa Cake on 12/22/2008 @ 02:28PM PT

  24. Dave Gerbwich

    I agree that some of the comments were sexist.  But your claim that Digg as a whole is sexist because they buried your story is outright ridiculous.  You got up to 180 Diggs!  I've submitted numerous stories to Digg, and never broken 100 Diggs, in large part due to people burying my stories.  Out of hundreds of stories, yours NEARLY made it to popular status - that's doing pretty well.
    I think the reason your article didn't achieve popular status is that it wasn't particularly interesting.  Top ten lists are a dime a dozen on Digg - the only ones that usually make it are ones that have REALLY interesting stuff - not stuff that anybody who has been paying attention to the news for the last year already knows.  Sure, your list included a few things I didn't know about, but most of them were just common knowledge.
    My point is, yes, sexism exists on Digg, but you shouldn't interpret your Digg count as being low due to sexism.  The people of Digg voted against your story, not against women as a whole.

    Posted by Dave Gerbwich on 12/22/2008 @ 02:30PM PT

  25. Travis L

    Digg is, by any measure, thoroughly democratic.  People vote articles up or down.  Their vote is weighted by many things -- activity, seniority, etc.

    Interesting that you chose to use a "motrin mom" tactic which is frowned upon by the community -- vote stuffing.  The weighting system is actually designed to prevent you from being able to do that -- it's likely that most of your mobile army was first time diggers, so their votes didn't count as much.  Your attempt to game the digg system was frequently used by unsavory businesses (digg spam, essentially).  You should avoid using those tactics before -- look at the company you keep when you employ them.

    Further, in your failed attempt at digg-spam, didn't you try to force your feminist viewpoints on the digg community at large?  And, by doing that, aren't you no better than those you criticize here?  The take-home isn't that digg is sexist; the take-home is that it's a (semi-)private community, with its own sense of ethics and mores.  And it is hugely male-dominated (you'll find more articles on linux kernels than fashion), so of course there are pictures of girls in underwear.

    Original question: is digg sexist?
    My answer? Who cares?  And why exactly do you care so much?  It's an online, rather geeky, self-policed community -- does it really *need* to have -isms (and -ists, like sexist) attached to it?

    Posted by Travis L on 12/22/2008 @ 02:31PM PT

  26. Laurent Boudreau

    I think this blog post is a little reactionary.  While there probably are misogynistic folks out there posting comments like that, I'm thinking there are probably a lot of teenaged boys doing the same.

    Take it with a grain of salt.  There are probably more productive ways to raise awareness of women's rights than worrying about Digg.com. 

    Personally, I think working with educators to instill some sense of respect for women in schools at a young age is more productive.  Then again, I am a man so...

    Posted by Laurent Boudreau on 12/22/2008 @ 02:31PM PT

  27. Dave Gerbwich

    I agree that some of the comments were sexist.  But your claim that Digg as a whole is sexist because they buried your story is outright ridiculous.  You got up to 180 Diggs!  I've submitted numerous stories to Digg, and never broken 100 Diggs, in large part due to people burying my stories.  Out of hundreds of stories, yours NEARLY made it to popular status - that's doing pretty well.
    I think the reason your article didn't achieve popular status is that it wasn't particularly interesting.  Top ten lists are a dime a dozen on Digg - the only ones that usually make it are ones that have REALLY interesting stuff - not stuff that anybody who has been paying attention to the news for the last year already knows.  Sure, your list included a few things I didn't know about, but most of them were just common knowledge.
    My point is, yes, sexism exists on Digg, but you shouldn't interpret your Digg count as being low due to sexism.  The people of Digg voted against your story, not against women as a whole.

    Posted by Dave Gerbwich on 12/22/2008 @ 02:35PM PT

  28. C K

    So let me get this straight... you jumped into a tank of starving sharks they attacked you and you think it's because you’re a woman? And not because sharks attack anything?!?!

    Here's an idea use the anonymity of the internet and pretend you’re a man and stand up for any other cause on Digg... anything at all try defending Obama, or try defending Bush. I guarantee your going to get the exact same treatment; the insults may change but will be just as hateful. You may have missed out on the last 20 years but this is how the internet works.

    Another thing common to the internet is write an inflammatory article about a more popular website for no other reason than to drive traffic to your less popular site. Beats the hell out of coming up with a real story to write about but it's cheap and never works in the long run.

    Posted by C K on 12/22/2008 @ 02:47PM PT

  29. Luke B

    This appears to be a site geared towards women and womens issues. I think digg also has a specific audience: the most prominent demographic on the internet, young adult and teenage males. Unfortunately, this group is known for its general lack of tact, especially in anonymous situations with no possible consequences.
    The problem probably stems from equal parts society and the biological processes that occur during that time of life in that gender. One thing is for sure, it is not new, and it is very resistive to change. Not that we should give up, but in the meantime, a sense of humor will go a long ways to smooth things over and make things easier on everyone involved.
    There is good evidence that women's issues are important to diggers. Believe it or not, the site is rather closely following and endorsing women's rights as they progress in the middle east.
    I'm fairly sure that the majority of diggers, while they may chuckle at "sammich" jokes, are for the most part empathetic to many of the issues that you would bring up on your site.
    In the end, the site itself doesn't endorse or cater to any specific audience. All the content is user driven. Theoretically, if women wanted to take over digg, it is merely a matter of numbers. In that way, the site is inherently gender neutral.
    Here's hoping that diggers take some time to listen to themselves from time to time, and that people who would criticize them too harshly would gain a sense of humor or just simply do something more constructive.

    Posted by Luke B on 12/22/2008 @ 02:49PM PT

  30. Wm Kg

    the hate filled reactions to this are the most interesting.  why so threatened?

    Posted by Wm Kg on 12/22/2008 @ 02:59PM PT

  31. Billy Carson

    It's especially hard to take you seriously when you make the claim that the Sex and the City film was the fifth greatest feminist moment of 2008. The reason that feminism is a joke today is because you've made it into a joke. You start off championing any and every tiny female-related act as a great achievement, and move on to condemning any and every tiny perceived offence as oppression. Grow up. You make a big deal about comments made on the Internet by young people, and meanwhile the world is no closer to having a female Mozart. Feminism began as a clear declaration of fundamental rights, and now that you're spoiled on those rights, you've turned to issues of contemptible unimportance. Your motivations clearly have less to do with the so-called advancement of womankind, and more to do with fulfilling some kind of personal, emotional need for yourself. It probably makes you feel good to pretend that you're such a strong, empowered crusader for women, but you haven't actually done anything for anybody. The lives of women are not better off now than they were before you wrote this article, and nothing you do in the future is likely to change women's lives, especially if you spend your time on the internet worrying about what men talk about when they think they're alone.

    Posted by Billy Carson on 12/22/2008 @ 03:06PM PT

  32. Greg Davies

    Digg is full of comment-clowns that are uncaring troublemakers.  In all seriousness, you would have a much better time with us over at Mixx.com. 

    Posted by Greg Davies on 12/22/2008 @ 03:07PM PT

  33. Jen Nedeau

    Well then - hello new commentators. Thanks for coming to Change.org & sharing your thoughts on this piece.

    A few points:
    - I've been observing Digg for awhile, but only until I felt that I had used it enough and had a few pieces subject to the voting process did I think I could write this article. I wanted to use my own experience rather than just rely on my observations - I wanted to make it less anecdotal and more representative of the whole. 

    - @BillyCarson: I'm sorry that you don't appreciate my judgment on the Top Moments in Feminism. I tried to choose from a broad list of amazing achievements - from various industries (politics, hollywood, the arts, international). SATC is on there because whether you like it or not - it is the highest grossing film starring women and it speaks to a greater majority of women than most feminist issues. I'm not saying everything in the movie is the epitome of feminism - but it does cover a lot of issues that women face: stereotyping, infertility, divorce, infidelity, economic freedom, careers vs. relationships, etc. I often like to speak to the majority when I can by including stories like that because I don't think it's productive to cavort solely with the most extreme or most traditional opinions.

    - @WMkg: I also find it amusing that there is so much anger in these threads. While I'll admit to conducting somewhat of a social media experiment, it's pretty interesting to see, but sadly not surprising.

    - @CK: You are right - I jumped into the shark tank. And on one hand while yes it is now driving traffic to this blog, on another it's raising the consciousness of an issue - and that is the bigger point to me.

    -@Dave @Morgan @BD: I see all of your points - and totally accept that there are always going to be a few outliers who make the larger entity look bad. So - perhaps Digg itself isn't sexist, but that some of the users are - that could be fair. But how can Digg find out the truth about itself unless it goes through a process like this? I was inspired by how Saabira Chaudhuri wrote about her experience, and I wanted to share mine. I am hopeful that the majority of Digg users who use the site and are NOT sexist,  should stand up against the sexist remarks so that the site can be a better place for everyone - not just women.
    @Travis L: I will admit - calling on my fellow females to help me out of the shark tank was a little risky. And then blogging about it was even more risky. But - when it comes to issue advocacy, you have to play on the battlefield. My point there wasn't necessarily to hit the popular page - as it was to stop misogyny in its tracks. 
    Thanks for the feedback people - I'm enjoying this debate.

    Posted by Jen Nedeau on 12/22/2008 @ 03:38PM PT

  34. ian insacramento

    It would seem to me as a somebody who is relatively masculine in the traditional sense of the word but fairly progressive in what I believe is good for the whole of society that this is the kind of tripe self centered nonsense that drives otherwise sound minded people away from a more forward thinking agenda.

    First a look at your piece “Top Ten Moments of Feminism in 2008” to suppose why you might be receiving what you feel are an overabundance of sexist comments.  Digg articles are generally found in the context of a search or keyword hit, and in your piece the following words are not only in the body, but make up headlines as well: Sex, Bitch, Prostitute, Sexual, Sexual Slavery, Beauty Pageant, R-Rated, and others.  Given that Digg articles are in large part stumbled upon by people executing key word searches I can see why you might be attracting that sort of audience, not out of any sexist leanings but by design.  The piece is well written in the general context for its intended audience, but to surmise that there is a sexist slant in viewership based on the criteria you have placed forth… simply people who visit Digg, is misguided based on the obvious key words you included.  I don’t think most people including the words bitch, sex slave or beauty pageant in a Google search are looking for how much progress has been made by the women’s movement in 2008.

    I would also like to make another point, using terminology such as “boys club” to describe the miscreants that posted negative comments to your piece is every bit as sexist as anything that you received if not as vulgar.  If there is a boys club, besides the one that does considerable charitable work, I am woefully behind on my dues.

    Another thing that turns the mind of the average male off of the views of a more progressive agenda before progressives even get to make their case is the hyperemotional, self aggrandizing redefinition of traditionally masculine words like “brave”.  In your article here you refer to a woman contacting a webmaster to remove message board posts she didn’t like as brave.  Rational, sure… smart, I’ll give you that, appropriate, absolutely… but brave?  Doesn’t this dramatically decrease the value of that word for both genders?  Rosa Parks was brave, she put her neck on the line… collaborating with a webmaster is a lot of things, but brave it is not.  So when you have this comment removed, please refrain from considering yourself a martyr for the cause.

    Posted by ian insacramento on 12/22/2008 @ 03:58PM PT

  35. Jesse Keller

    I think this phenomenon is, in part, a result of the the fact that women are less likely than men to voice their opinions loudly, and with full force of hyperbole.  Throughout our lives, we men are encouraged by a whole range of subtle social rewards (like a big laugh from our buddies) to say things like "Feminism. lol. Aww that's precious. Now get me a beer, and while you're at it get your milkers out.." as a form of semi-ironic hyperbole.  So we keep doing it until we start receiving forms of social punishment (like embarassment and ridicule from women) - something that is currently lacking on the Internets.  The problem is that, right now, men are louder, and feel more free to just post any hanging-with-the-bros comment that springs to mind.  What we may need is for every sexist comment to be answered back with something about how it's evidence of our sexual inadequacy.  Then you might start seeing those comments decrease...  Women need to not let it slide.  Be loud, smart, and sarcastic, and watch us back away from our coments, making excuses all the while.

    Posted by Jesse Keller on 12/22/2008 @ 04:18PM PT

  36. Jen Nedeau

    Ian - I encourage you to spend a day being a feminist blogger before you go defining the word "brave" - we get dealt a lot of shit in this space and believe me, it does take courage to try and deal with the attitudes found online and off. 
    I also wanted to share this great video from Feministing that talks about another site, YouTube, which often gets a little out of hand in terms of attacking females:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNM8u1YtjMs&feature=channel_page

    Posted by Jen Nedeau on 12/22/2008 @ 04:21PM PT

  37. Ginger @ Girls Just Wanna Have Funds

    I agree with this.  This is why I've never really bothered with Digg in the first place because Ive seen other posts that are considered women centric, get buried by chauvinist pigs there. 

    At least within my nice we have Tipt?  But still, that's dominated usually by a select fre PF bloggers who've donned themselves king of the niche.

    Posted by Ginger @ Girls Just Wanna Have Funds on 12/22/2008 @ 04:38PM PT

  38. Weee Wilson

    I wonder why you immediately jumped to the conclusion that it must be sexism. While some comments were offensive, they don't account for every down vote. Your article wasn't really that interesting. If I were a digg user I would probably bury it as well on account of it being yet another top ten linkbait-wannabe.
    Not being interested in bad top ten ferminist achievements compilations doesn't exactly make you a sexist.

    Posted by Weee Wilson on 12/22/2008 @ 04:41PM PT

  39. ian insacramento

    Jen,

    I always find it interesting when somebody replies to a reasoned objective analysis of something with the old “if you could live a day in my shoes” hyperbole.  What you are essentially saying is “Take my word for it, this thing I do with my life is really hard and troublesome, granted I do it by choice and make a conscious decision to participate, and any rational person would expect a large amount of grief over it, especially given the forum… but I’m going to take it all personally, tell you all how hard it is, and then expect my experience to somehow bring a transcendent viewpoint to those who have no means by which to appreciate it.”  I’m not suggesting you are a terrible person for having the views you hold, I largely agree with you on the fundamentals, if not your idea about Digg, I am just trying to give you an appreciation of the vantage point of those who don’t agree with you so that you can better tailor your message.  It doesn’t do anybody any good to preach to the choir and the people who already agree with you will continue to do so because they share your vantage point.  Instead of recognizing the objective point that I was trying to make, namely that the terminology used in your article would be more likely to draw a Google search from a guy masturbating than a person seeking higher enlightenment about the plight of women, took no hold with you… instead you turned it into a self focused pity party about how hard it is to be a woman blogger.  I have no doubt that you get plenty of derogatory messages given the subject matter you have chosen to write about, but you should consider yourself lucky, not everyone gets to chose so freely the means by which they either contribute to society or make a living.  Sacrifice is demeaned by those who chose to revel in it.

    Ian

    Posted by ian insacramento on 12/22/2008 @ 04:56PM PT

  40. FACEPALM JONEZ

    "In order to try and teach these boys a small lesson - I tried to pull what I'd like to call the "Motrin Moms" effect on them. I notified my fellow female bloggers and those in the progressive community about the thread and asked them join the thread and add positive comments"

    Jesus H fucking Christ, take some medication. You know why you got downvoted? Because you're a knee-jerk idiot. It's called a joke, STFU and get a grip on life. This is why people hate feminism, it turns normal people into fucking idiots.

    What if women made a comment like "why isn't he painting the house like a good slave?" do you think guys would give a shit? No.

    God damn, less victimhood, more reality please.

    Posted by FACEPALM JONEZ on 12/22/2008 @ 06:13PM PT

  41. Taylor Russell

         I really think its funny in a sad way how some members of my sex (male) think that posting such garbage as the scantily clad size 0 "bunnylike" model as a "remote control" is ultra-cool and humourous.  But what's sad and idiotic about it is that these guys treat women like they are nothing more than objects for their sexual and domestic gratification.  They also feel the need to select women who have bodies sized like young teenagers with adult sized breasts and butts.  Showing intelligence and strong opinions are considered turn-offs as well, they pretty much have to be cute, pubsecent-like, silent, subserviant bimbos.
         Is this because you guys feel threatened by women who look, think, speak and act like adults?  Do you deep down have such an insecure view of your masculinity that you have to have "girls" around that won't threaten it?  Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it was some "hot chick" that's in a fantasy of yours.  You know, the one that pushes play on the DVD player to your favourite "barely legal" porno disc, fixes you your pizza and Coors Light, gives you fellatio just the way you like it and doesn't dare mention you performing oral sex on her when you orgasm way before she does.  Maybe its just some harmless fun that rednecks, dirty old men and frat boys indulge in.  I didn't exactly find the picture offensive, (although I didn't find it very attractive or funny either) but I understand why a lot of women find it repulsive.  They are tired of being treated as sex objects and want to be respected.
        Also, I find it just humourously stupid that guys still think that the current 21st century agenda of the feminist movement is for entitlement and special rights.  Just like Lynyrd Skynyrd, you're stuck in the 70s.  That's second wave feminism, the one that Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinheim and Andrea Dworkin espoused.  This was the type that pretty much said all hetero sex is rape, men are not to be trusted, women are victims of men and women are entitled to special rights.  This was wrong thinking that set the feminist movement back decades instead of advancing it.  In the third-wave, which is being influenced by Jennifer Baumgardener, Amy Richards and Jessica Valenti, men are looked at as equals, so long as they respect women.
         So please come up to the naughties (00's) "gentlemen" when referring to feminisim.  Don't believe the Jerry Falwell description of today's version when you consider the movement (his view was never valid anyway and is increasingly irrelevant as time goes on)  Feminism is no longer whining about not having special rights, its about equal opportunity and respect.  Quit having an irrational inadequate phallus complex and grow up, please.

    Posted by Taylor Russell on 12/22/2008 @ 06:17PM PT

  42. Mickey L

    So...there are some guys who are jerks on the internet?  NOOOOOOOOOO...  And what exactly was so sexist about that Motrin ad?  Stupid, yes.  Sexist?  I showed the video to my wife and she had no clue what made it sexist either.  Get a life, there are more important things to worry about than people being sexist on the internet.

    Posted by Mickey L on 12/22/2008 @ 06:31PM PT

  43. jake jackson

    your kinda hot, id vote you up just for that.

    Posted by jake jackson on 12/22/2008 @ 08:17PM PT

  44. Cole Burns

    Gay, straight,black, white,the internet just sucks,all right?

    Posted by Cole Burns on 12/22/2008 @ 08:34PM PT

  45. elidet reyes

    Posted by elidet reyes on 12/22/2008 @ 08:41PM PT

  46. Robert Norris

    I've yet to have any content I've created get more than 6 diggs... are they bobbyist? :)

    Thing is, where there's men and woman there is that tension. I think woman do have much more power in the world above and beyond men you seem to fail to acknowledge. Probably the reason a lot of guys resist feminines getting into the boys club is because deep down they feel just how powerful woman are at what they do. Sliding your way into any situation. Its like you guys are able to induce some sort of trance on men. What man doesn't obsess about woman? What woman doesn't pretend she's out to assasinate with her looks while just playing it cool? Woman have men by the balls in every sense... there's a few lost boys out there of course who have no disrespect, but all in all the world I experience is that woman have it covered in every corner. if only I could make a room follow me because I stuck my chest out... if only I could just choose from a field of woman as easily as any woman can should she choose on any given night. Men only hope to attain the level of power woman already have... all the new-age men revolution... its guys just trying to tap into your source. Sometimes I wonder if this whole going on about womans rights as though its still back in the 50's is just a way to keep reminding us how much on top you actually are... "oh look how stupid those guys are... we're still stringing them along with this gig".

    I think more gratitude. And keep in mind, its not womans rights unless you keep compassion for the guys out there no matter how dismal they may seem. Cuz in the prowess towards a world of princesses and queens it would also be pretty lame if the pendulumn swung in the opposite direction as well.

    We've come a long way, baby. I'm thankful for that. I too wish most guys would grow up as there are many guys out there who have to deal with it as well... we all lose when people grotesquely come from a purely sex / power place it doesn't which side of the fence does it.

    If you want to ark up about something, how about writing supportive things for the woman shelters? Thats the frontline of where change for the womans rights are happening. Woman getting beaten up by psychopathic so-called lovers who victimise their partners so deeply that the woman can't even feel they can leave or deserve any better. Slander via the web... the web is like dream space ... imagine if in the real world you heard everything everybody thought... you'd hear all sorts of crazy stuff rolling around in here... you'd here all of that impulsive stuff... and on the web, all that impulsive stuff to some people is just said. Its not that important.

    If I got 100+ diggs, man, I would be stoaked. I would be like man I am awesome... possibly 1000 + people read this for this to get 100 diggs... wow... what an impact I must be making. There could be more to the lack of votes than just that you're a woman. At the same time, I hope I've made it clear that I in no way doubt that men continually attempt to undermine woman I don't think it matters which field. So keep on it.

    Posted by Robert Norris on 12/22/2008 @ 10:32PM PT

  47. Robert Norris

    Further to alll that, I just really think although it must suck being oppressed by men.. just consider how weak we must be... we cherish you so much, that in some cultures we don't even want you to be seen by another person outside the eyes. Thats muslim. Twisted as it may seem, you only try and repress the things you want to hold onto don't you? Its a bit messed up, but isn't the idea to crush what you love so that it doesn't escape from you? You could actually see the little digg stabs as actually guys being threatened by you... and that should affirm you personally.

    I wish you all the best. Its a worthy topic to have controversy around.

    Posted by Robert Norris on 12/22/2008 @ 10:38PM PT

  48. Jen Nedeau

    I hope that everyone here can see beyond the digg numbers and rather look at the issue at hand. This post was not about traffic or a ploy to bring people to the site. It is about stopping sexism in its tracks. It is about being an example instead of just letting another sexist/racist/homophobic/male bashing/female offending/anti-equality comment to go unnoticed. 
    It is the small things in my opinion that can make a big difference. 
    I am not trying to make a big deal out of nothing - but rather a big deal out of something. Please, don't marginalize yet another issue. It only makes it easier to dislike the community at hand.
    Thanks again for sharing your comments on this piece. 

    Posted by Jen Nedeau on 12/22/2008 @ 11:29PM PT

  49. Lauren  Vork

    Responding to the guy who said this stuff happens because there are "more men on the internet" (as if that's somehow an excuse, but leaving that for now).  It's just not true, sorry.

    http://www.emarketer.com/Article.aspx?id=1004775

    Posted by Lauren Vork on 12/23/2008 @ 12:45AM PT

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Jen Nedeau is a social media consultant, progressive activist, feminist speaker and writer. She currently lives in New York City, where she works full-time as the Director of Digital Strategy at Air America Media. In August 2008, Nedeau was selected to be the Editor of the WomensRights.Change.Org where she facilitates daily discussion about the feminist movement. Additionally, Nedeau volunteers as the Chief Technology Officer for New Leaders Council, a non-profit that offers exclusive training for young leaders. You can follow her on Twitter @HumanFolly or learn more here: www.jennedeau.com.

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